Possible level/story jumps....really?

[Belhi]

You're allowed to play with your friends in dungeon content before they do all their story quests BTW.

Your friends might be more apt to stay if you didn't put the whole burden on them to hit 60 and get decked out before they get to see your smiling face.

I have helped a number of sprouts new to my FC do dungeons (and totally not because of first time bonus/second chance points, no siree!).

The reality is that even with he occasional dungeon to break it up a new player still has hundreds of quests they have to go through before they can get into the social aspects of the game and almost all that questing is something they will have to solo. In fact a lot of the time actually trying to help them with it is counter productive since they will lose exp for having a higher level player with them.

The long and the short of this is the amount of MSQ that a new player has to get through to get into the social endgame activities everyone else is doing it too much. Even when people enjoy it its a massive grind. Its like overeating on a delicious meal. The food can taste great but after a while you have eaten so much you really don't want to eat anymore at the moment. Its at that point, with 100s of quests to go, that I see most sprouts that leave, leave.

I think what a lot of existing players don't understand is that consuming the MSQ in one sitting is different to what most have experience. Even if you started in HW, imagine if you had to do all that but also had to do all the HW patches and all of Stormblood. All of that from the start of ARR in one go. Most of us experienced players have gotten to experience the story questing in broken up components spaced out with breaks between the chunks.

More over this problem will only get worse. In 4.0 a new player will have to level through 3 expansions and two full patch cycles before they get to current content. That will take people months. That's months of wading through story before you can group up with people to go do maps or run roulettes or raid.

Hey jump supporters, should the potion come with a full set of the secondary tomestone gear as well, lore gear for now? If it's about getting to endgame and playing with friends then some half way decent armor would help.

What about if it's called 'jump premium potion' and costs extra?

Considering that the Jump potion would level you to the max lvl of the last expansion then doing that wouldn't really matter cause if you used it today you would be starting at lvl 50 with ilvl 110 gear.

The jump potion doesn't let you skip all levelling, only the levelling through the past expansions. Likely the Jump potion would come with a gear set about that level since it is likely going to be the required entry level gear to survive in Stormblood zones.

[Lambdafish]

How do you condense all of the open plot threads into a quick and easy level jump experience? You have the scion story, the garlean story, the ascian story, the ul'dah story. the allagan story, the beast tribe story, the hydalyn/zodiark story, and midgarsormr. How the hell do you condense all that into something bite size? And thats not including the dragonsong war or the initial ala mhigo story.

[Belhi]

How do you condense all of the open plot threads into a quick and easy level jump experience? You have the scion story, the garlean story, the ascian story, the ul'dah story. the allagan story, the beast tribe story, the hydalyn/zodiark story, and midgarsormr. How the hell do you condense all that into something bite size? And thats not including the dragonsong war or the initial ala mhigo story.

With difficulty.

For people who don't care much for the story its a moot point.

For people who are interested but don't want to play through the rest you would need a pretty indepth 'The story so far' feature. Honestly if making a Jump potion got them to do this it would be a good thing because I think a lot of people already playing wouldn't mind some kind of refresher feature to remind them what has happened so far. It amazes me how much people I talk story with have either forgotten what happened in the past or have details wrong and that can totally skew context. After all this is story that has been being told out over literally years and quite a few people have had breaks during that time.

[HideoKojima]

My thought

To sync all quest lvl to their current class, with that, I can level my other classes even after post 2.0 content still get experience for leveling. Just s thought

[Enur]

The one thing that new players back is in my experience the MSQ. Many players simply dont care about it, they want to play the new shiny jobs. This cause them to rush through the msq, hating it even more. Many folks in the fc im in absolutely hates the msq, many even giving up early. Not because the story is bad, but because its restrictive.

A jump potion would fix this, the player who dont want to play the story, but skip to the relevant content can, and those who like to spend a few hundred hours fetch questing to be able to play with fellow fc mates can. Its not that i dont want to help, its that i cant help it go faster. Tanking tam tara can only take so long. All the solo instances to add up.

[Lambdafish]

With difficulty.

For people who don't care much for the story its a moot point.

For people who are interest

The people who skip the main story are probably skipping to get to current content quickly. Then they go through 4.0 story and suddenly "I don't understand the story" threads appear everywhere, and the devs have to make the stories independent in the future due to massive backlash.

[dragonseth07]

The people who skip the main story are probably skipping to get to current content quickly. Then they go through 4.0 story and suddenly "I don't understand the story" threads appear everywhere, and the devs have to make the stories independent in the future due to massive backlash.

I've seen people skip story. I've seen people complain about not understanding it. I've not seen someone skip it and then complain about their own choices like that.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Yea lets put it all on SE instead of you maybe not being the best of friend by not wanting to do lower level content with them cause as others have pointed out in other threads there more to the game then just the MSQ.

Because that makes the enormous amount of fetch questing less tedious. Few people have any issues dragging their friends through dungeons. It's the quest grind that put people off.

The people who skip the main story are probably skipping to get to current content quickly. Then they go through 4.0 story and suddenly "I don't understand the story" threads appear everywhere, and the devs have to make the stories independent in the future due to massive backlash.

Not really. Most who skip the story simply aren't interested in it. Those who are tend to level an alt later or watch cut scenes from the Unending Journal. By allowing the story to be skipped, the devs won't have to make as many concessions since at the moment, they always have to be mindful of players who want to breeze through things and not be bogged down for hours on end.

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

Yea lets put it all on SE instead of you maybe not being the best of friend by not wanting to do lower level content with them cause as others have pointed out in other threads there more to the game then just the MSQ.

I will partially agree with you, but I also want to point out that much of that "more than just the MSQ" is gated by the MSQ.

Ultimately though, a jump potion will arrive at some point. New player retention will be crucial going forward as player bleed from veterans will continue as time goes on. If the new players aren't staying, then it'll just be a steady decline till the devs have to make drastic decisions, and I'd much rather see a jump potion than F2P, or massive trimming of the MSQ to accommodate new players.

Ethys Asher, one of the biggest lore/story players said it best I find: "With a jump potion, there is no compromise, more story for the people who want it, zero story for those who do not."

[Naunet]

A jump potion would fix this, the player who dont want to play the story, but skip to the relevant content can, and those who like to spend a few hundred hours fetch questing to be able to play with fellow fc mates can. Its not that i dont want to help, its that i cant help it go faster. Tanking tam tara can only take so long. All the solo instances to add up.

This is why I hate the jump potion. Not because I'm against people skipping levels (honestly it doesn't bother me - you do you), but because people are going to parade it as some solution to the god-awful ARR MSQ restrictions on things like jobs, as this person just did.