Possible level/story jumps....really?

[Meeka19]

If you ask me, if the devs really consider it's an issue and it'd liven up the game, they should be able to skip for free, and they're asked to complete:


- The beginner's hall (first)

- One of dungeons 1-3 (sastasha/copperbell/tamtara) or 3 (Lvl 20) fates or 4 levequests (lvl 20) or all 1-6 guilhests

(time spent should be equalish is my point, might want the nr of fates/levequests to be higher if that's not enough, also added solo options)

- One of dungeons 4-6 (halatali/totorak/haukke) or 3 (Lvl 30) fates or 4 levequests (lvl 30) or all 7-10 guildhests

- One of dungeons 7-9 (brayflox/qarn/cutter's cry) or 3 (Lvl 40) fates or 4 levequests (lvl 40) or all 11-15 guildhests

- One of dungeons 10-12 (stone vigil/dzaemael/aurum vale) or all 10-14 guildhests or all 1-3 trials (bowl of embers/navel/howling eye)

- Any 5 lvl 50 dungeons or any 12 lvl 50 ARR trials (there's no solo options at end since we want to be sure they've done group content)

They are now jumped to 60 and everything's unlocked.


The way it works is that they're not able to go further until they do each step, they can't do dungeons the steps don't ask for.

I want something for the players that reach 60/reached 60 the normal way though. Maybe some glamor?

Any opinions? No? Ok.

[CosmicKirby]

All the naysayers are going to naysay for a whole xpac, then accept it as is. It happened with WoW, it ultimately help the game get far more players at high level, it'll amount to the same here. It's not the end of the world.

[Belhi]

Jandor, if a jump potion was included as part of the price of the expansion as a kind of one free with the price of the expansion (since autoleveling to access the expansion would require the expansion in the first place), would that be satisfactory in your eyes? This means that while people wanting to auto lvl more than one character might need to spend extra, most players would not be paying any extra plus it would still deter bots and RMT groups.

Yeah it means that anyone who loves alts is either going to have to pay extra or do the slog but it still effectively gives legitimate new players their first jump potion free.

[Jandor]

Snip.

I don't consider level boosters acceptable at all in a sub game, one coming free with the expansion is a compromise I could probably live with for now, but I would still be unhappy about it if that was the route they chose to take.

Back in 2.4 when the cash shop came out it was promised that it would be "vanity only, absolutely no pay to win."

Even if you don't think tangible character advancement in exchange for real money is pay to win, it is definitely not vanity only.

2.4: Cash shop, but vanity only we promise.
3.4: Thinking about level skips for money.
4.4: Who knows, we're going down a worrying path though.

[Jas710]

The big problem is what everyone has mentioned, that access to HW content is locked behind the msq. The issues just snowball from there.

My recommendation to address it would be to allow players access into Ishgard to start the HW msq as soon as they hit 50, regardless of where they are at with the ARR msq. They could always backtrack later to do ARR, of which they would be inclined to do at some point anyway when they start realizing some of the lv.50 dungeons might still locked. But at least it would be the player's choice in managing how to tackle it.

Change a few of the first msq scenes to adjust for the transition, and/or any other story tidbits that might reference ARR, and everyone is good to go.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

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As stated before, that would screw up the questline because everything runs off of each other on whether or not a quest was cleared. Making it where HW unlocks at level 50 means the game assumes you finished all of the ARR content because of how the flags are structured. And why would you bother letting people into HW if they can't even do anything because they can't unlock anything until they finish ARR?

[Jandor]

As stated before, that would screw up the questline because everything runs off of each other on whether or not a quest was cleared. Making it where HW unlocks at level 50 means the game assumes you finished all of the ARR content because of how the flags are structured.

"Warning: Accepting this quest will automatically complete all main scenario questlines previous to this. This decision cannot be undone."

Do you accept? Yes/No.

Then the game assumes you finished all ARR content, seems simple enough. Even if it's not, they'll have to do something about it to make jump potions work anyway, so it hardly seems a valid reason to write the idea off.

[Naunet]

"Warning: Accepting this quest will automatically complete all main scenario questlines previous to this. This decision cannot be undone."

I feel like there is a better way to do this that doesn't lock someone out of going back and doing quest content. If Blizzard and ArenaNet can figure it out, then SE can. >_> They just need to find a way to unflag the "intro to HW" quest so that it can be picked up as soon as one hits 50 (while simultaneously removing the requirements to be on X story quest to unlock dungeons or jobs).

[Moonlite]

I feel like there is a better way to do this that doesn't lock someone out of going back and doing quest content. If Blizzard and ArenaNet can figure it out, then SE can.

Not to be mean but either SE has designed a poorly designed game. Or staffing problems of monumental proportion in all directions (ego,understaffed,under skilled). Look at how long basic report functions took to implement. Games decades older have better systems in place.

[Jas710]

As stated before, that would screw up the questline because everything runs off of each other on whether or not a quest was cleared. Making it where HW unlocks at level 50 means the game assumes you finished all of the ARR content because of how the flags are structured. And why would you bother letting people into HW if they can't even do anything because they can't unlock anything until they finish ARR?

Because new people beelining it to HW just want to unlock the damn jobs and move on to playing what it is they paid for. They signed on to play 3.0, and ARR is a barrier.

And as I ALSO SAID, there would need to be obvious adjustments. But it's not an impossibility to sit down and figure out where. The script isn't written in stone.