Lore Incentive Is Ruining Duty Roulette

[Lexia]

but they move too fast! I usually have to waste my lightspeed just to give them protect, and stoneskin,

If they do that when I'm healing they just don't get the buffs. Not to say I won't cast protect but they will be pulling the mobs without protect until I can get cast if they run off.

[MikeWW]

1. It takes 2 seconds to select the tank and cast protect on him, so unless he is very far away from you, you will get protect on him.
2. The secret to keeping a tank alive when he pulls a lot is to hit the heal button. When the heal button is off cooldown, hit it again! Congratulations, you now heal almost as well as a healer who is 100% skilled in his class. The only times the tank will die now is if the tank overpulls/doesn't know how to use defensive abilities at the right time, or you have really bad gear.

If the tank dies, it is his responsibility to advice his playstyle so that he doesn't die. You keep on pressing that heal button to the best of your ability.

[Shug]

Really guys. I love all these lvl 60's telling people who are learning how to play their class in a LEVELING roulette that buffs aren't needed. Funny, I've never seen a savage or ex clear video without protect, stoneskin, or other shields up. If you teach them bad while leveling, you're going to cry during expert.

[Greedalox]

Really guys. I love all these lvl 60's telling people who are learning how to play their class in a LEVELING roulette that buffs aren't needed. Funny, I've never seen a savage or ex clear video without protect, stoneskin, or other shields up. If you teach them bad while leveling, you're going to cry during expert.

You're aware in OP's original post that he uses Lightspeed to get the buffs up when the tank ran off right? He was problem solving and that's the right thing to do until he had a freak out. Even if a tank only ever stayed for protect 50% of the time, that's still hundreds of times for a very menial task which is more than enough for a lesson in Protect. I've NEVER had a healer in the 60's not buff the team one way or the other, I don't think people are as dim as you're implying they are.

Nothing says learning like letting the tank drop (Out of spite, might you) because you wanted to learn how to Protect+Stoneskin instead of Lightspeed/Instant cast(Which is a GREAT lesson in itself). Don't be an apologist for something so asinine.

[Pells]

Also as a main tank, if you want protect you wait for it. Not gonna lie sometimes i do forget but then you ask nicely to the healer! As a PLD doing roulettes i usually run with SS on my bar so if i do get a sch or ast they can SS other ppl and ill get myself before bosses. Sounds to me like people need to take a deep breath in most cases and remember its a game

As a PLD tank, if you want protect you could always cast it yourself.

[Anarnee]

As someone who has leveled tanks heals and dps many times over, I really can't feel for you.

Yeah, there are some people out there that are toxic, and not everyone is going to adapt to how you play. Sometimes YOU have to adapt.

If you let someone die on purpose YOU are not doing your job correctly.

Protect and Stoneskin are really not required for leveling dungeons, I have them as some of my last CC skills, after Clerics stance. Have had no trouble yet.

And if they are 60, their gear is maxed out, they've made it easy for you. I'll take that over a squishy under geared tank ANY DAY for healing practice.

Its a double edged sword, you want someone to play your way, sometimes they will, but sometimes you need to also adapt too!!

As a tank/healer/dps I do prefer to take the earlier dungeons slower, but I can't say I've had trouble as a healer or dps with wipes due to mass pulls.

[Yeol]

Rushing the dungeon isn't something bad. You will learn to heal large pulls and adapt to all types of tanks, good and bad. This benefits you more than cause you harm. Get used to all scenarios and all situations.
First time tank did a large pull when I was leveling SCH made my heart drop, but guess what? I managed to keep him alive and felt pretty damn good about it.

I totally understand what you're going through. But trust me, you will improve. And you will change your mind regrading this statement. You will realize how players like that were one of the reasons you improved.

[Kathryn]

Honestly it gets worse at DR EX, I literally just had it a few mins ago I asked at the start Big pulls or Small, it fell on deaf ears nothing silence not even a "Hi", Anyway I proceeded to pull started small "just incase" everyone just ran past me so I thought fine big pulls im ok with that, got to the second boss and it's that whirlwind guy I usually pull him to by the barriers so its easier for me with minimal movement so dps can go nuts. The BLM pipes up "You tanked that wrong" and proceeded to tell me it needed to be tanked in middle... Out of ALL the run's I have done of these dungeons I've not had one wipe/death or complaint let's just say that today I quit DR with randoms I won't tank for them no more i'll sign up as DPS and only tank for my FC/LS.

This is a Multiplayer game communication will always be key no matter how trivial you think the content is it might only be someones second run through give the newbies a chance, And this is someone who has played this game since 1.0 launch.

[Zhamkyong]

I... Dont think it is too dificult to be more communicative towards the party?

After reading all the pages here i understand both sides of the coin and... Well, everyone is right, more or less in theyr arguments, so... Why not reach a common ground of ettiquete? If we all want a good playerbase in the new areas/trials/raids/younameit to come, we need first to show in an appropriate manner to the new players HOW. This is a MMORPG game where communication and cooperation is the key, no one can argue with that. No one is gonna run an entire raid by themselves while shouting "this is my way of doing things, shut up" and calling for a wipe.

New players often want guidance, Mentor or not, as a level 60 players we should just give them that. Explain to them WHY someone is rushing a dungueon, for example, dont just run away thinking "Ima get this done in 5 min max" and then dying because of your own impatience. That also should be extended to a veteran player who is learning a role. We all want to do level60 stuff and be happy that everyone know theyr class at least, right?

It's just... Easy, so easy. Be polite, think of your comrades, talk. We are all here to have fun, not to go to each other throats...


Unless you are a greedy lala *cough*

[TiaHariberux3]

When you (general) sign up to be a mentor, you accept the following terms:



So the tank's attitude described earlier by Laerune, can be considered as Cheating this aggreement or as a form of harassement since not respecting the behavior a mentor is expected to show in a Mentor Roulette.
I advise novices experiencing "fake mentors" in Mentor Roulette to report them.

Healer is much worse letting ppl die on purpose can be considered as griefing and waste time for everyone in there. For new ppl a bit faster run may ruin the run for them...abit but wiping whole time will just make it worse.