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  1. #1
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    Avatar von Msugi
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    Ul'dah
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    Michael Sugijanto
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    Tonberry
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    Samurai Lv 70

    Which Tank is Better Off MT?

    I currently have WAR dan DRK at Lv. 60, and my Lv. 57 PLD is going to be there as well.

    Just curious what role should I assume in case of three/two men tank scenario if I were to play one or the other. What I currently certain is that WAR will always be the best OT as its best ability can only be unlocked in Deliverance (Triple Fell Cleaves FTW). I need more opinion about DRK/PLD.

    Also, if you have two WARs at one run, which one should MT? I always think it's the best geared since they don't require as much heals but they can be a better OT too.

    Please enlighten me,

    Michael
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    Geändert von Msugi (02.12.16 um 11:01 Uhr)

  2. #2
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    Avatar von Lambdafish
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    Ul-Dah
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    Character
    Khuja'to Binbotaj
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 100
    WAR/PLD - PLD MTs
    WAR/DRK - DRK MTs
    PLD/DRK - highly dependant on whether the fight is magic damage or physical damage, though generally PLD MTs
    WAR/WAR - either can, though probably the better geared MTs because it is safer for them to stance dance.
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  3. #3
    Player
    Avatar von Msugi
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    Michael Sugijanto
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    Tonberry
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    Samurai Lv 70
    Zitat Zitat von Lambdafish Beitrag anzeigen
    WAR/PLD - PLD MTs
    WAR/DRK - DRK MTs
    PLD/DRK - highly dependant on whether the fight is magic damage or physical damage, though generally PLD MTs
    WAR/WAR - either can, though probably the better geared MTs because it is safer for them to stance dance.
    So basically if I queued as PLD then I should expect to MT, OT as WAR, and as DRK I may have the option depends on my tanking partner right? Thanks a lot, that just confirmed my doubt!
    (0)

  4. #4
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    Avatar von HyoMinPark
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    Hyomin Park
    World
    Cactuar
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    Weiser Lv 92
    PLD is generally the default MT in duties. Because, even in Sword Oath, it will deal less damage than a DRK, and definitely less damage than a WAR.
    WARs make the perfect OTs because of their high damage output (and their Fell Cleaves <3).

    Some (uninvited) extras:
    If you're paired up with another PLD, as Lambdafish said for WAR/WAR, the better geared PLD should be the MT, while the lesser geared takes the role of OT.
    For DRK/WAR, the DRK will generally MT so the WAR can OT. Because WARs will deal more damage than a DRK.
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    Geändert von HyoMinPark (02.12.16 um 16:05 Uhr)

  5. #5
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    Avatar von SpookyGhost
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    Kori Fleming
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    Cerberus
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    Marodeur Lv 80
    Technically WAR should be pulling regardless of composition and a tank swap should happen after the Berserk window.

    But if you're just going to do DF stuff then: PLD/WAR = PLD MT, DRK/WAR = DRK MT, WAR/WAR = whichever has better gear is MT, PLD/DRK = imo PLD should MT simply due to part of their threat combo being a part of their DPS rotation which can lead to threat issues with DRK as MT.
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  6. #6
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    Avatar von Thoro39
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    Thoro Heavypunch
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    Phoenix
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    Mönch Lv 60
    DRK/PLD is moreover a tossup, since DRK loses much more options from not-tanking than PLD. A DRK loses Bloodprice, Reprisal, Lowblow procs, while PLD only loses their shieldswipe. So from an theoritical optimal standpoint, it's more raiddps to have the DRK MT and the PLD OT in that sense.
    However I agree that PLD's enmity combo in their dps combo makes it hard for a DRK MT to maximize their DPS when they have an OT-PLD as their co-tank, so from a practical standpoint, it's sometimes difficult.
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    Avatar von Rongway
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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    Hyperion
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    Schwarzmagier Lv 100
    Keep in mind that these are of course optimizations. What should happen in the perfect party.

    What you get in DF will not always conform, and if you have a tank buddy who doesn't want to perform the prescribed role, whether it be because of inexperience / lack of confidence (this is okay) or laziness / stubbornness (this is not, but it will happen anyway), the relevant question will sometimes be not "which job should MT?" but "which position is more difficult/technical for this particular fight?"
    (0)
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  8. #8
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    Avatar von Lambdafish
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    Ul-Dah
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    Khuja'to Binbotaj
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    Hyperion
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Zitat Zitat von Msugi Beitrag anzeigen
    So basically if I queued as PLD then I should expect to MT, OT as WAR, and as DRK I may have the option depends on my tanking partner right? Thanks a lot, that just confirmed my doubt!
    Pretty much yeah, though as Rongway pointed out these are optimizations, and if that doesn't happen and your WAR partner wants to go MT in DF, then they can.
    (0)
    Geändert von Lambdafish (02.12.16 um 19:45 Uhr)

  9. #9
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    Avatar von Thunda_Cat_SMASH
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    Sylvana Tenebri
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    Malboro
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    Marodeur Lv 79
    DRK should always be mt over pld. DRKS lose so much damage and their only utility as an OT, why would you ever force that on them?
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  10. #10
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    Avatar von SpookyGhost
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    Kori Fleming
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    Cerberus
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    Marodeur Lv 80
    Zitat Zitat von Thunda_Cat_SMASH Beitrag anzeigen
    DRK should always be mt over pld. DRKS lose so much damage and their only utility as an OT, why would you ever force that on them?
    Because it's DF and it's easier for a PLD to maintain aggro regardless of how they play, whereas a reckless DRK will lose it. Ideally a DRK would MT, but DF doesn't work under ideal conditions.
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