Which Tank is Better Off MT?

[bounddreamer]

PLD dps can't be discounted. Our PLD's numbers on Faust were only slightly lower than our Scholar's for the past few weeks. One week he was ahead of me and I was so ashamed -_- I'd made some mistakes in my rotation.

Also - if the other tank doesn't have a stance on, with me at least, I'm waiting to see what you turn on. If you put on sword oath or just Darkside, I'll turn on Defiance. If you put on Grit or Shield Oath, I'll turn on Deliverance. That or I'll just ask which role you want as I, and most tanks, are comfortable with either.

[Saeno]

WAR/PLD - PLD MTs
WAR/DRK - DRK MTs
PLD/DRK - highly dependant on whether the fight is magic damage or physical damage, though generally PLD MTs
WAR/WAR - either can, though probably the better geared MTs because it is safer for them to stance dance.

I'd have to disagree. There is no sound argument for PLD to MT over a DRK in a PLD/DRK comp. DRK gains too much being hit and PLD only gains blocking, which they can give to the DRK with the use of cover. PLD having extra mit is not true either. They take physical damage better than any other tank but DRK also does well on physical due to parries, reprisal and they take magic better than any other tank

Reprisal alone pushes DRK over PLD in the MT slot.

[aleph_null]

All of them. The best Mt is a meta made by raiders.

This is like saying that gravity is a meta made by Newton.

[RamothElggur]

In Pugs tbh: do whatever u feel like it! It does not really amtter as long as teh Tank who ist MTing the Boss keeps aggro. i personaly dont really give a damn in DF stuff caus its so low tuned etc.

In proper Raid Situations: There is NO pure MT/OT ...

Idealy both tanks synergize their abilites, trying to stay out of tank stance as much as they can etc., ..... that MT/OT mentality however deos not apply in a proper Raid situation.

having the mentality of beeing pure OT/MT depending on your role is kinda wrong in this game

[Sarcatica]

For MT, DRK gains the most while WAR gains the least.

In normal content, it is normally the best to let DRK MT as much as possible, PLD being the 2nd in priority.

In the best comp, you want WAR to pull first for the most part then at some point DRK takes the aggro. DRK will slowly lose aggro to anyone in a very high tier setup due to minimal aggro management and Grit-less tanking which makes WAR pulling a lot better. PLD doesn't suffer from aggro generation like DRK but that fact that you are bringing PLD instead of DRK is suboptimal due to how PLD is a shittier ver. of DRK. To play DRK at the highest level also demands a great team to work around DRK's weak aggro. When members steal aggro, DRK needs to work much harder to top up aggro which is a total DPS loss. Everyone needs to reduce aggro generation whenever possible.

In a raid situation, there is no MT/OT mostly because you want to squeeze the most value out of the both tanks' CDs while enabling tanking in DPS stance as much as possible. FF14 is different from most mmos due to the DPS meta too which has been present for much longer than you might think.

[Khalithar]

It's mostly a personal preference to me, I generally prefer to MT and most tanks I group with are happy to let me. Regardless of the class I usually just say "want me to MT?" The answer is almost always "yes." If they say "no" I'm cool with that to.

[Ilan]

I'd have to disagree. There is no sound argument for PLD to MT over a DRK in a PLD/DRK comp. DRK gains too much being hit and PLD only gains blocking, which they can give to the DRK with the use of cover. PLD having extra mit is not true either. They take physical damage better than any other tank but DRK also does well on physical due to parries, reprisal and they take magic better than any other tank

Reprisal alone pushes DRK over PLD in the MT slot.

And DRK and especially WAR beat PLD in the OT slot. You can MT with what ever tank class you want in every content in final fantasy.

[Lambdafish]

I'd have to disagree. There is no sound argument for PLD to MT over a DRK in a PLD/DRK comp.

It doesn't matter how much a DRK loses, PLD mitigation helps the healers a lot more if the fight is suited to it. Fights like Thordan and Sephirot (synced) stand a lot to gain from having PLD MT because their tank busters and mechanics can be handled far more easily with moves like sheltron and hallowed ground. DRK being a bad OT is not a reason to disqualify PLD from being the better MT, because the fact of the matter is PLD is far better in some fights, and the real problem is that PLD/DRK setups are just bad in general.

[Lyth]

It doesn't matter how much a DRK loses, PLD mitigation helps the healers a lot more if the fight is suited to it. Fights like Thordan and Sephirot (synced) stand a lot to gain from having PLD MT because their tank busters and mechanics can be handled far more easily with moves like sheltron and hallowed ground. DRK being a bad OT is not a reason to disqualify PLD from being the better MT, because the fact of the matter is PLD is far better in some fights, and the real problem is that PLD/DRK setups are just bad in general.

Mitigation advantages only matter if they can be translated into increased time out of tank stance. Most competent tanks are capable of designing cooldown rotations that are capable of handling the opposite damage type from the type which they specialise in. Nobody cares in the slightest if you mitigate 4k additional damage on a tankbuster as long as you can survive it and still push your dps. The mitigation requirements on extreme primals are so trivial that double WAR is probably the optimal comp for most if not all of them. In fact, I suspect that the erroneous assumption that A9S-A11S were "PLD fights" simply because they involved physical damage was possibly one of the deciding factors in the world-first race this tier.

This is one of the reasons why I think that PLDs who push for their job to have an even bigger mitigation advantage instead of seeking out dps parity are making a really big mistake. You either need a fight that is so physically demanding that only PLDs can MT it effectively (thankfully non-existent this expansion), or it's not going to make a difference and people will go with the MT which offers the most dps. It makes much more sense to completely scrap the idea of PLD being the "defensive tank" and balance mitigation and dps independently of each other.

[Madepossible]

Interesting how NA EU is the opposite of jp standards. War can still put out high damage if it is the Main Tank by stance dancing, while Paladin can go in sword oath and utilize it's max dps. In my opinion War should always be MT and DRK/PLD Off tank.