Not the time to charge, cya in 2013...

[AreeyaJaidee]

I don't think they have any right to charge us to play a beta. It's been a year and still no search function, no useable LFG system, and no mail. The game is a wasteland outside of chatting linkshells. Now that tons of people are going to quit, the game is going to become even more desolate. Why am I going to -pay- to play a game that's not even really ready?

I always thought to myself that they would only change when this theoretical 2.0 was released (and on PS3 too)... but to charge us for it one year ahead of time? I understand there are bills to pay, but SE really made a horrible game and deserve to pay the price. I still feel insulted that they even released the game in the first place.

I only log in to play around, check to see what's changed, and log out, and I'm sure at least 50% of the players are exactly like me (if not more).

Don't get me wrong, I had a huge smile on my face as I read through the announcement and saw the PDFs about 2.0... but I'm not paying for 1.9, or 1.20.

Unfortunately, they are probably making the wrong decision on behalf of the players. I already feel insulted -again-. For the entire 2012 I'm going to be pissed at them for not allowing the people who payed 50+ dollars for this garbage continue to see the updates that THEY OWE US first hand. Now I'm going to have to be a forum dweller.

TLDR: I feel insulted all over again and refuse to pay for beta, a bad beta at that.

tl;dr: bye bye~!
ts;dr: bye bye~!

[December]

Opinion is irrelevant as to whether this game is in beta or not, it's not, the beta ended in Sept. Also, SE does have test servers, those test servers are running the new server software or did you not read the post on the front page?

I get that they have inner-company test servers, or else they wouldn't be releasing anything. Normally, MMORPGs use a player ready test server to get feedback in real time, not after they release patches. I think that telling us the game is 50% of what they want it to be, is basically telling us it is a beta. Look at the radical changes coming in 2.0, you won't even be playing the same game a year from now.

[December]

You are not entitled to more than what they've given you. Which was a asinine amount of free months to play the game. You've been given way more than you put into the game financially. You were not entitled to any more free play months ago, but since the game was in such bad shape there was no choice, but to keep the free trial.

SE is now saying, "Are you a giver? Or are you a taker?" The players who have faith in their direction, have an ounce of empathy, or are not ungrateful a-holes will most likely pay to play soon. Not to mention that with the look of 2.0, this seems to be a pretty expensive task and the number of people we find working on this game plus the amount of work that is now being shown for the first time previously behind closed doors, you'd have to be an idiot to not understand why they need to start charging.

You think with all of that effort being put into the game that they would be okay with bringing in no revenue? Grow a brain.

You have to realize that I don't want hand outs. I want a good game. I've wanted a good game since one year ago. They have not delivered on that, and they have admitted it was not a good game. In the end, you disagree with me on the fact that I think SE deserves to pay for their mistakes. You seem to think -we- need to pay for their mistakes.

[Molly_Millions]

I get that they have inner-company test servers, or else they wouldn't be releasing anything. Normally, MMORPGs use a player ready test server to get feedback in real time, not after they release patches. I think that telling us the game is 50% of what they want it to be, is basically telling us it is a beta. Look at the radical changes coming in 2.0, you won't even be playing the same game a year from now.

That still doesn't change the fact that we are playing the retail version of the game, not a beta. The fact is, you have no idea why they don't have public test servers, that's all speculation on your part. FFXI never had public test servers, and many other companies operate the same way. I test software for a living, and can tell you with 100% certainty that public test servers are not the norm.

...Keeping your lame arguments up is akin to trying to put 20 lbs of shit in a 10 lb bag.

[AlexNiculaie]

it may have come off as childish. I just think that a fail-game deserves to fail. If they want to try and make it up to us as players, and make the game better, I am all for it. I just won't be paying them to fix mistakes.

::Shrug:: Well, that would be why you won't change minds. Telling people you think something is fail, when they obviously don't isn't going to convince anyone of anything. As for paying to fix mistakes, you understand that is exactly what a monthly pay to play subscription means, right? You pay so they can add new content, and continue adjusting the game world; periodically they will add additional features and areas to expand upon the game. MMO's aren't released in a finished state, just in a basic enough standing that players can begin. FFXIV has reached that state.

You can argue that you don't like what the game offers, and that's a respectable opinion. However, that monthly fee is every MMO's means of fixing problems, adding content and in general evolving over time.

[grandm]

2.0 hit the shelfs and 10 mins later a million troll's come on the forum to say its not worth the money.

just thought i would share the visions in my crystal ball

[Quesse]

Do we need another one of these?

yes we do. ....

[Abriael]

You have to realize that I don't want hand outs. I want a good game. I've wanted a good game since one year ago. They have not delivered on that, and they have admitted it was not a good game. In the end, you disagree with me on the fact that I think SE deserves to pay for their mistakes. You seem to think -we- need to pay for their mistakes.

No, we're going to be paying for a product. A product that they are providing.

Whether you think it's a good product or not is irrelevant.

[December]

It would've been more convincing if SE came out and said..

"Hey, we think now the game is good enough to charge you for it". But they don't! They basically say that we are funding their development process.

[Molly_Millions]

No, we're going to be paying for a product. A product that they are providing.

Whether you think it's a good product or not is irrelevant.

...a product that I am having more fun playing than any other game I've played in the last several years. That's my honest opinion.