Pvp Behavior Is Embarrasing

[FreeKingStefan]

Can I ask why you find it acceptable to be cursed out & verbally abused? Are you from a society where being unpleasant to others is a way of life? I don't. I come to Eorzea for fun, not to be told to "go get raped", "die of cancer" & worse. The fact that you're allowing people to do it without consequences is just as bad, if not worse, than doing it yourself.

I reported the abuse I got & decided to remove myself from the situation. If someone kicked me in the head I wouldn't go back & plead for more. >_>

I come from a place called earth where you cannot control the actions of other people. I don't let a couple of bad words stop me from doing things I enjoy, because frankly, I'm not that thin skinned.

[kensatsu]

keep moving even if you get insult, offcourse, insult don't have to stop you, if you have the competive spirit it won't stop you.
but keep moving from insult and accept and think insult is ok. it's a different things.
The pvp community is not realy toxic anyway, everyone is not insulting others, hopefully. it's not more toxic than pve, there no community without a little of toxic sauce. it's not something only existing in pvp.

[HaelseMikiro]

I come from a place called earth where you cannot control the actions of other people. I don't let a couple of bad words stop me from doing things I enjoy, because frankly, I'm not that thin skinned. someone who talks that kinda smack to a complete stranger over losing a game of tic-tac-toe runs the risk of getting clocked in the jaw

I think that's a bit more realistic. You can absolutely control the actions of other people IRL when they're interacting with you, to a MUCH greater degree I'd argue, than you can in the Feast

[FreeKingStefan]

I think that's a bit more realistic. You can absolutely control the actions of other people IRL when they're interacting with you, to a MUCH greater degree I'd argue, than you can in the Feast

Trash talk happens in competition all the time. Tic-tac-toe is a solo game...so your comparison is terrible. Take a game of baseball, football, etc. for example. Play any moderately competitive sport, and if you are a detriment to your team, you WILL be reamed out...Or replaced. Unfortunately, you cannot replace your teammates in solo Q.

[fallenalexiel]

I think most of the community is willing to help newbs out. However, the frustration lies where these people aren't listening to the chat and ignoring the advice given.

[Zojha]

However, the frustration lies where these people aren't listening to the chat and ignoring the advice given.

No. The frustration lies in the fact that people think these people are making them lose combined with the fact that they care about win/loss.

It's really as simple as that. It's not limited to newbies either - You can be a Platinum Wolf with 1000 games, people will still shout at you if they think you are a threat to their precious rating and ego. People simply hate losing and the whole rating process just makes it that much worse because now you can't just mentally wave it away - it's in the numbers. Worse, that guy just destroyed your progress! He deleted your save file! He kicked your sandcastle over! May this son of a motherless ogre step on a Lego! *dramatically shakes fist*
You get the idea.

PvP as such suffers from that issue, because losing is part of the game and as a consequence, PvP games are renown for their toxicity. It doesn't help that many players have "lording their ego over others" as prime motivation to PvP in the first place. That can't be erased - you can only ban repeated offenders and encourage positive behaviour on the player side and attempt to make the win/loss matter as little as possible to give people less reason to be upset on the system side. That's all you can do to minimize bad behaviour.

[HaelseMikiro]

Trash talk happens in competition all the time. Tic-tac-toe is a solo game...so your comparison is terrible. Take a game of baseball, football, etc. for example. Play any moderately competitive sport, and if you are a detriment to your team, you WILL be reamed out...Or replaced.

Fine, replace my game of tic-tac-toe example with anything else you said, and assume a high school gym coach is randomly assigning people to the teams. Everyone in the Feast knows how the system is setup, but some people insist on giving death threats to the kid with a bike helmet and coke goggles instead of accepting that this is just the way the world works. You win some and you lose some, you move up in the tiers and see less of those noobs, and at the end of the season the people most capable of picking up their teams slack while doing their own job (and maybe a little RNG luck with matchmaking) gets a prize.

As you touched on imperfect comparisons, teams members DO get replaced every single match in solo Q. Solo Q Feast IS NOT a team based event. Every single person on your own team is still an enemy in the big picture. I think this makes it much easier to justify losing your marbles on someone, hoping to berate them into never Q-ing again, only to find oneself in the exact same situation next match with a different person, until so many people have been pushed out of PvP that these individuals now find they themselves are the lowest denominator, and they start lashing at their betters because they can't cope with the reality that they lost a match, because their team deserved to lose.

It would be ideal if every person in the rated matches was there because they'd had sufficient time to study how their job works in PvP, the best times to burst, CC and retreat, and they were genuinely practiced and ready for competitive PvP. But that's not reality. Non-rated matches are dead queues, and SE hasn't done a pre-season since season 1. So ofc there's going to be a lot of people getting their feet wet for the first time in the rated season. This is the pre-season training grounds for people wanting to get into PvP for season 4.

Edit: All I wanted to do was defend Tic-Tac-Toe because I don't see solo Q as a team effort even though we work with other people for a common goal in 8 minutes bursts. There is no team mentality in it. Guess I got long winded on it
Pete Rose isn't being excluded from the Baseball Hall of Fame for being bad at baseball (gambling). Charlie Sheen didn't get dropped from Two and a Half Men for being a bad actor (drugs and trash talking the producer). Bill Clinton didn't get impeached over bad foreign policies or spending, it wasn't even for his affair. It was becaue he lied about it. People can be great at their jobs and their hobbies, but thin morale fiber is a bigger problem for the community than thin skin IMO.