[petition] PS4 framerate

[Kosmos992k]

Yeah the GPU is so important i barely saw an improvement from GTX970 SLI to GTX1080.

Not gonna talk with you anymore, you ask for sources then complain, yet yourself you don't provide any for your claims, have fun.

LOLOL! Did you even read your sources?

Going from a GTX970 SLI to a GTX 1080 it's NOT going to net you a huge leap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TJZsbeQWk0

Don't presume that I am some console kiddie who doesn't know their hardware.

[RobbieH]

LOLOL! Did you even read your sources?

Going from a GTX970 SLI to a GTX 1080 it's NOT going to net you a huge leap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TJZsbeQWk0

Don't presume that I am some console kiddie who doesn't know their hardware.

Like i bought a second 970 i plan to buy a second 1080, and go check SLI, Single cards have better lower FPS, what you're posting is average FPS.


Not console kiddie.

- Complains about my sources, post video made by some random guy
- Post video about average FPS when what matters is the lowest

[Kosmos992k]

Like i bought a second 970 i plan to buy a second 1080, and go check SLI, Single cards have better lower FPS, what you're posting is average FPS.

Then why call it a 970SLI? You included that not myself. Or are you now saying you didn't write this;

Yeah the GPU is so important i barely saw an improvement from GTX970 SLI to GTX1080.

Doesn't change the fact that framerate gains are not generally linear scaling, and depend on many factors such as drivers and libraries.

You like to try to argue in circles without actually discussing much. Such as talking about how you saw negligible framerate gains going from GTX970SLI to GTX1080, and when shown benchmarks comparing exactly that you suddenly say that avg framerate doesn't matter only the lowest fps (which is 1 fps, and can be obtained by pegging your system with a virus check at the same time as running your game). And now not only that, but you're saying it's only a single GTX970, not an SLI setup - when you originally stated GTX970SLI.

Your 'sources' had zero substance. The video of benchmarks I posted contained actual benchmarks that can be confirmed through other sources.

Really, are you like 19 or something? You argue the way my son does. Start with a larger point, and then when that is knocked down, retrench with a smaller point that is tangentially related to the original as if it somehow overrides everything else said.

You started with unsubstantiated claims about PS4 Pro performance, sideswiped PS4, all on the basis of 4K performance. I countered pointing out you have no way to demonstrate your claims with PS4Pro as yet, and also gave detail about then system architecture and performance of the PS4. I showed a nice easy, pragmatic way to refute the idea that the game is CPU bound. I pointed out that 4K resolution is not really as significant as many think, and I showed (with a nice accredited study) how the human eye of an average person maxes out between 40 and 60 fps.

Then you started in with the usual PC persona GPU name dropping, which got us here.

I believe the central point is whether or not PS4 Pro will run FFXIV better than a PS4. that answer is yes, it will - unless SE specifically coded the game to lock frame rates below 60, the game will definitely run better on PS4 Pro. Will PS4 Pro run the game at 4K - even assuming SE supported 4K in the game? Probably, but it would probably be at around 30fps, but not locked at 30fps. IIRC Sony wants framerates locked at at least 30, and most analysis I've read seems to think that most games will run at an intermediate resolution higher than 1080 FullHD, but below 4K to maintain 30+ frames per second. Unless you are performing static image comparisons, you will not notice the resolution difference between the scaled image and a full 4K native image.

I expect you'll now pick some other aspect other than the actual topic to try to once again distract from the discussion instead of addressing it.

[CGMidlander]

Like i bought a second 970 i plan to buy a second 1080, and go check SLI, Single cards have better lower FPS, what you\\'re posting is average FPS


Not console kiddie.

- Complains about my sources, post video made by some random guy
- Post video about average FPS when what matters is the lowest

You can't really discern playability with minimum framerate, or any single data point for that matter. A time graph (e.g. http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/07/19/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1060_founders_edition_review/4#.WBz8XuBlDqA) would be required for a more proper interpretation.

[RobbieH]

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Because i bought the GTX1080 with the idea of buying a second one? The difference between 970 SLI and one 1080 isn't that big except the minimum framerate is better, if i was swimming in money i'd had bought two instead of one.

And the improvement wasn't that big because i have an i5 CPU which can be way slower than an i7 and isn't allowing the GTX1080 to run at full potential.

The GPU upgrade is mainly important in FFXIV for playing at higher resolutions, it won't make the game run much faster in towns even with two Titan in SLI, because like i said, it's limited by CPU.

As for the Pro, it can run this game at 4k, but no way it will be at 60FPS.

The excuse console players use that "PCs are too expensive" is dull, because they buy Two consoles (Standard and Pro) which totals 800, and that costs more than a GTX1080, not to mention huge TVs which are far more expensive than than Monitors.

And it's 800 to run games at 30FPS, i'll never understand.

i was going to buy the Pro (i have the standard PS4) but when i've read it can't run FF15 at 4k even if 30FPS i gave up, that says how powerful the console is.

[SigmaOZ]

PS4 limitations!...

Please upgrade to a PC at your earliest convenience or alternatively wait until the PS5 is released!...

[Mwynn]

I believe the central point is whether or not PS4 Pro will run FFXIV better than a PS4. that answer is yes, it will - unless SE specifically coded the game to lock frame rates below 60, the game will definitely run better on PS4 Pro. Will PS4 Pro run the game at 4K - even assuming SE supported 4K in the game? Probably, but it would probably be at around 30fps, but not locked at 30fps. IIRC Sony wants framerates locked at at least 30, and most analysis I've read seems to think that most games will run at an intermediate resolution higher than 1080 FullHD, but below 4K to maintain 30+ frames per second. Unless you are performing static image comparisons, you will not notice the resolution difference between the scaled image and a full 4K native image.

This, so much this, let's take Rise of the Tomb Raider as example.

Rise of the Tomb Raider makes use of the PS4 Pro's Additional Hardware Upgrades.

Either you run one of the three Options :

~ Fast Frames 1080p, less Detail (60 Frames without a single Stutter)
~ 30 Frames Capped but extremely highly Detailed
~ 30 Frames Capped and 4K Scaled Image, less Detail

Given the Fact FFXIV is a MMORPG and not a Single Player Game, hundreds of Player Models will bring every Hardware down, even a PC.
Nobody can tell me they got constant 60 Frames in Idyllshire when there is around 50-70 Players not even on a i7 6950X CPU with two GTX 1080 GPUs

Whilst Single Player Games can be Optimized, MMORPG's can't be hardly Optimized at all due of the population of Players.
Square Enix cannot factor how much People will run around in a Zone.

You'd be surprised, a Game using "Realtime" DirectX 8 Shadows from 2004 still brings me to single digit Frames, it is all Optimation, yet, if there is too much Models and Texture Streaming going on in the background, nothing helps against that.

[RobbieH]

Nobody can tell me they got constant 60 Frames in Idyllshire when there is around 50-70 Players not even on a i7 6950X CPU with two GTX 1080 GPUs

People do not buy that setup for MMOs only unless they're stupid.

The only scenario those would make difference would be higher resolutions such as 4k and Higher Quality everything, also there's too many pixelated armors in the game because of the PS3 and it's abysmal 256MB of RAM.

Now with the PS3 gone, i seriously hope HD Textures come.

[Mwynn]

People do not buy that setup for MMOs only unless they're stupid.

The only scenario those would make difference would be higher resolutions such as 4k and Higher Quality everything, also there's too many pixelated armors in the game because of the PS3 and it's abysmal 256MB of RAM.

Now with the PS3 gone, i seriously hope HD Textures come.

Thanks for me calling me "Stupid" then. I play FFXIV on my Computer while I do play other Games on my PS4 but ya, nothing else on my Computer as it is mainly used for other stuff.

Aside from that I do not see any Reason why "Low Textures" are a fault of the PS3, hence, they could offer HD Textures for the PC Plattform alone, which is pretty common these Days.

Oh right, making FFXIV similiar to all Plattforms, I totally forgot, slap me because I'm Stupid.

Just a Tip : The PS3 makes use of more than 256MB RAM, I have no clue at all where People get that Number....

*256 MB XDR DRAM and 256 MB GDDR3 Video RAM* There you have it. Understand how Consoles are built and how Hardware of said Consoles work. Pointless to discuss this.

[BakaChin]

The GTX1080 can play games at 4k60FPS, the Pro can play games at 4k30FPS. No Need to be a genius to realize the Pro isn't very good.

All I heard from this is blah blah blah PC Master Race *snort* blah blah blah....

You do realize close to half the subs for the game quite possibly be "console peasants" right? get off your high horse and maybe catch some sunlight.