RIP Minion Collectors :(

[Istaru]

While this may be disheartening for people who don't PVP since they don't like it, aren't good at it etc. I also understand that the extreme limit on the items given out is another part that makes people give up before trying.

I looked at Season 1 results, the average matches played for 1-10 was about 560 for single queue and 230 for party queue. About 790 matches. The results for 21-30 were about 320 for single queue and 120 for party queue, about 440 matches total. However, there were people in season 1 and 2 with 500+ matches that did not make the top 30. It is not impossible to reach the top 10 and stay there it will take some effort.

On the flip side...

To the people who are good at PVP and The Feast, be careful how much you gloat. There will probably be a large influx of people who are not good at your favorite game mode and can quite frankly, ruin YOUR ability to proceed as well. Yes, you could build up a lead and sit on it, but if people really want these rewards, you may have to return and defend your spot on the leaderboard and lose it. I wouldn't gloat too much.

In the end, I think there will be tons of salt all over from both groups, PVPers and non PVPers, especially for solo queue. Be careful how much salt you rub into the wounds of others, you may get some in yours too.

[Teryaani]

Speaking as someone who doesn't PVP, what is wrong with SE encouraging people to do it with exclusives?

[Lexia]

Speaking as someone who doesn't PVP, what is wrong with SE encouraging people to do it with exclusives?

Cause SE have been know to not do exclusive stuff, oh you missed that season event that ok we will just throw it on the mogshop for you to buy it or new players demand that they get items from before they started playing and SE caves by bringing it back to the game or throwing them in the mogshop as said earlier but now they want to be "oh only limited very exclusive rewards for doing this content" and on top of that from what I have read even if you do PVP only the best of the best will get it.

[Niwashi]

Speaking as someone who doesn't PVP, what is wrong with SE encouraging people to do it with exclusives?

There'd be nothing wrong with encouraging PvP, but this doesn't encourage it.

[Teryaani]

Cause SE have been know to not do exclusive stuff, oh you missed that season event that ok we will just throw it on the mogshop for you to buy it or new players demand that they get items from before they started playing and SE caves by bringing it back to the game or throwing them in the mogshop as said earlier but now they want to be "oh only limited very exclusive rewards for doing this content" and on top of that from what I have read even if you do PVP only the best of the best will get it.

They have a few exclusives now. They haven't budged on legacy rewards and I'm hoping they don't budge on this. There should be a few things in the game that are limited and special. Sure, don't do it with everything, but a few things? Why not?

There'd be nothing wrong with encouraging PvP, but this doesn't encourage it.

There is zero chance of getting this if you don't compete in the feast. Yes, it's very limited, but you can't get it if you don't compete.

[Talraen]

Speaking as someone who doesn't PVP, what is wrong with SE encouraging people to do it with exclusives?

I feel like we're constantly re-treading ground, but in short, these are too exclusive. If you are not already a top-ranked PvPer, the chances you'll make it into the top 10 (in two different ranking pools!) are essentially zero. This isn't a "get good" or "try harder" scenario, this is a "you may legitimately be the best PvPer in the game and still miss this due to random chance" scenario. Casual players know they have no chance, so there is no upside to this reward because it may as well not exist. But there is a downside (see: the original post).

[jameseoakes]

Speaking as someone who doesn't PVP, what is wrong with SE encouraging people to do it with exclusives?

with the exclusivity of the rewards they aren't really rewarding people who start doing PVP, this will only really reward the established community.

[Niwashi]

There is zero chance of getting this if you don't compete in the feast. Yes, it's very limited, but you can't get it if you don't compete.

There's zero chance if you don't compete and virtually zero chance if you do compete. The difference between those chances is too minuscule to encourage anyone to compete who wasn't going to anyway. So yeah, this doesn't encourage PvP.

[LunaFaye]

I feel like we're constantly re-treading ground, but in short, these are too exclusive. If you are not already a top-ranked PvPer, the chances you'll make it into the top 10 (in two different ranking pools!) are essentially zero. This isn't a "get good" or "try harder" scenario, this is a "you may legitimately be the best PvPer in the game and still miss this due to random chance" scenario. Casual players know they have no chance, so there is no upside to this reward because it may as well not exist. But there is a downside (see: the original post).

Well pvp never worked out great on this game, probably the reason they are now adding minions and mounts to it. People are more invested or happier to just give it a try than prior. However it's not true that casual players can't get the items, I'm not sure if you have run pvp lately but I find myself often enough in groups with just casual people or win traders or people that just afk it fully. I don't think I've met a "good/best" pvp'er at least not on this game, not to mention that ffxiv isn't made for pvp compared to actual games that have a huge pvp popularity. I would just say, give it a try, if you score great if not at least you tried and with more people queue'ing it might even go quicker.

[Teryaani]

with the exclusivity of the rewards they aren't really rewarding people who start doing, this will only really reward the established community.

Fair enough. It's piss-poor in that regard.

That said, I still really don't care if exclusives, even hyper exclusives, exist. Most vanity items are obtainable in this game by grinding or just waiting until the content is facerollable. If a few things exist that I can't get, that's not that big of a deal.