RIP Minion Collectors :(

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

What was the brainstorm session for this?

Dev 1: Hey, PvP is still unpopular, people doesn't seem motivated by one time exclusive rewards... Any ideas to solve this?
Dev 2: Well, if we want to motivate more players to try pvp, how about we give them EVEN MORE one time exclusive rewards?
Dev 1: You think more of them will work if after 2 seasons they havent joined..?
Dev 2: This time they will work, because, we will make them... A mount and a minion.
*Dev 1 and 2 grin as the office grows dark*

[Mugiawara]

My problem is that they try various ways to get people to do PvP and only like 1% of people give a rat's behind about it.
If you make PvP more enjoyable instead of a Zerg Rush, mindless zombie dance off with 5 skills then maybe people will care.
PvP is this games weakest of all content and it needs to be seriously thought through.
Front Lines was a good idea, they need to take a look at their other Team focused PvP game called Fantasy Earth Zero
[Being one of my fave mmos before shutting down and my fave PvP game ever.] and see what they can do.

[Frowny]

My problem is that they try various ways to get people to do PvP and only like 1% of people give a rat's behind about it.
If you make PvP more enjoyable instead of a Zerg Rush, mindless zombie dance off with 5 skills then maybe people will care.
PvP is this games weakest of all content and it needs to be seriously thought through.
Front Lines was a good idea, they need to take a look at their other Team focused PvP game called Fantasy Earth Zero
[Being one of my fave mmos before shutting down and my fave PvP game ever.] and see what they can do.

I agree. Honestly, when we had maintenance for purely PvP fixes I was enraged. Stop pushing PvP so hard, either look into why people don't really do it or just axe it. PvE is strong here, pour the resources there.

[Colino]

Minion collecting is one of the most fun and interesting things that has kept me hooked on the game, and now they're making it literally impossible for me to have them all.

Please, PLEASE re-think this SE.

To the people that don't get it: It's not the fact that it's an "exclusive" reward (which is absolutely fine and the top PvP players deserve something to commend this), it's the fact that they're using minions for this which up until now have never been exclusive. They're meant to be casually fun to collect (or incentives for product purchases).

Asking SE to reconsider content so you can satisfy your mental condition of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder is just silly. You, and your obsessiveness with pointless, fluff content, is what hurts this game. If you like minions thats fine, but demanding developers alter content because of a mental problem you have is just ridiculous. What is the point in owning every minion anyways? What does it get you? They do nothing but follow you around. What has this world come to.

What does having a billion gil get you? What does having the best gear and clearing raids get you? It's all about your own personal satisfaction, saying others have a "mental disorder" because they set their bars and goals differently to yours is utter lunacy. Try to be less of a dick and enjoy what you enjoy doing without thinking you're better than everyone else because they don't like the same exact things you do.

Oh please, you don't even have the wind up dalamud or wind up bahamut, both of which were limited time only minions so your collection would never be 100% anyways. I can guarantee you and many others who are complaining about this "ruining your collection" don't have anywhere close to full collections.

I do, as do lots of others, so that argument in itself is not valid. I am literally one of those idiots that has thrown money at them for almost everything and have more than 200 minions, none of the ones I'm missing are unobtainable but that will obviously be the case soon. I'll move on and accept it but a bit of understanding from people that like to act like tough guys on the internet would be cool since we're part of the same community and all.

[PotatoTree]

I currently have every single "limited time" mount/minion, so if I spent the time/money I could possibly be 100% complete. I guess this minion/mount would be the one that stops my collecting. I can definitely make it to top 100 for solo, but there's no way I can spend enough time to get to top 10, and there is even less chance I'll be able to find a pvp team that would want to spend the time in the group queue.

And even if someone was super good at PvP, it'll be hard to get top 10 in both solo and ranked. In Aether, no player was in both top 10s this round, so even the best players have a hard time doing so. Basically even if you are top 10 material, it's possible that one colour variant is out of your reach unless you take a vacation month from work or something.

I guess collecting was fun while it lasted, but time to call it quits. I usually stop caring/playing once completion becomes impossible.

[Welsper59]

I do, as do lots of others, so that argument in itself is not valid. I am literally one of those idiots that has thrown money at them for almost everything and have more than 200 minions, none of the ones I'm missing are unobtainable but that will obviously be the case soon. I'll move on and accept it but a bit of understanding from people that like to act like tough guys on the internet would be cool since we're part of the same community and all.

Just to clarify something, understanding someones position on their subjective wants is not a point of value to the topic. What is a point of argument though is claiming that they can't do something to their own game that goes against what you think should or should not be a thing. To the shortsighted individual, that point ends at "how does them adding it to PvP make us happy when most won't get it?" whereas the broader perspective continues to "why should they be obligated to cater to every little criticism against a decision some players may enjoy, but these loud individuals don't?"

I can sympathize with the idea of collection being stunted, but I'm also of the mind to know that it doesn't matter in the end. Are you going to add your collection efforts to your job resume? Are you going to use this as bragging rights when you play other games? Will your achievement of collecting bring you lasting value long after you stop playing this game? Chances are, the answer is either "no" or "not really". You at least understand that you'll move on, so point to you on it.

Collecting in a video game is a means to a direct end. There is no real inherent value, as opposed to collecting IRL, which at least has resale value usually. To you, the individual, the ability to collect every single thing to accomplish your goal may mean a lot, but that doesn't mean the devs are obligated to listen to you or those like you. Clearly, their decision to add those rewards to limited PvP achievements contradicts any made up notion that those goods are not "meant" or "designed" to be gotten in a specific manner that some folks have been spouting. Any meaningful argument against it is just typical complaining.

Again, I can sympathize, but the complaining about every little thing does get tiring. It'd be nice to see more people understand that and realize that not everything is going to go their way in a game that is not designed for you or me or anyone specific in every single way possible, thus understand the concept of compromise, but it's quite rare.

I guess collecting was fun while it lasted, but time to call it quits. I usually stop caring/playing once completion becomes impossible.

If you mean this in a way that you don't care to go that extra mile anymore, but don't mind the minions in general given your hobby, then welcome to the realist club. Where unreasonable expectations are expected to fail sooner or later. If you meant it as though you're trying to say screw minions entirely, given the previous hobby of collecting them, then lol.

[Colino]

I can sympathize with the idea of collection being stunted, but I'm also of the mind to know that it doesn't matter in the end. Are you going to add your collection efforts to your job resume? Are you going to use this as bragging rights when you play other games? Will your achievement of collecting bring you lasting value long after you stop playing this game? Chances are, the answer is either "no" or "not really". You at least understand that you'll move on, so point to you on it.

I adressed this point in the response you quoted, but that point applies to the ENTIRE game. Everything in this game is "pointless" if you like at it from that perspective, collecting minions is in fact no more pointless or important than getting world first. Are people putting "World First A12S clear" on their CVs? I would hope not.

So its ok if they use something OTHER people collect as an exclusive reward just not what you like to collect huh.

It's not a matter of what I collect, it's simply a matter of them locking minions behind content in a way they have never done before. I don't get why your response has to be that snarky either, since it added absolutely nothing to the discussion.

Makes you wonder what is ok to make a exclusive reward in PvP.

How about the exclusive rewards they've had for season 1 and 2? Was their massive outcry that we needed more incentivising rewards in PVP? If their objective was to get people to play, why not add more minions that are redeemable via wolf marks like they did with the cheerleader?

[TiaHariberux3]

How about the exclusive rewards they've had for season 1 and 2? Was their massive outcry that we needed more incentivising rewards in PVP? If their objective was to get people to play, why not add more minions that are redeemable via wolf marks like they did with the cheerleader?

People knew such rewards are coming since they said they will change rewards but now alot are complaining instead of saying "gratz to top10 sick minion". Why ppl want everything (in a easy way). There are so many exclusive items that u cant get why complain about this (like going to fanfest irl gg ez). Wolf mark rewards would be terrible ppl would go into pvp like in the past and afk for tomes/marks.

[NatSilverguard]

People knew such rewards are coming since they said they will change rewards but now alot are complaining instead of saying "gratz to top10 sick minion". Why ppl want everything (in a easy way). There are so many exclusive items that u cant get why complain about this (like going to fanfest irl gg ez). Wolf mark rewards would be terrible ppl would go into pvp like in the past and afk for tomes/marks.

some people are just born entitled j3rkfaces...

if you want them so bad, work on them, in other words "git gud"...