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    Zenos could very well be hinting towards a samurai confirmation but not in the sense most people might assume. Regula was introduced and uses a great sword and while his basic combat stance is unique most of his attack animations are the same as Dark Knight. As such, their choice for Zenos to use a scabbard and katana like weapon could have been a design decision for him to similarly re-use animation assets created for a samurai job.
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    Maeror Montealvo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shippuu View Post
    Zenos could very well be hinting towards a samurai confirmation but not in the sense most people might assume. Regula was introduced and uses a great sword and while his basic combat stance is unique most of his attack animations are the same as Dark Knight. As such, their choice for Zenos to use a scabbard and katana like weapon could have been a design decision for him to similarly re-use animation assets created for a samurai job.
    I agree completely, i just never understood why the idea that He himself was a Samurai began, particularly when his title says it all.

    Quote Originally Posted by FinalWolf View Post
    I wanna know something and it's been on my mind for a while now.

    Why are so many people trying to push Red mage as a tank in this game? Sure in other games it was a jack of all trades master of none.

    But honestly adding red mage as a tank seems like it would be just a shield-less paladin with a rapier and en-magic.

    White magic? Paladin has it
    Self buffs? Paladin (stoneskin, etc)

    The only thing they don't have is "black magic" but I still feel like it would be much more suited as a dps.
    They try to push Red Mage to the Tank role to justify the idea of a Samurai DPS role, if there is one then the other has to be different mentality. Never mind that the number one hint at RDM (a certain young Elezen girl) pits her Limit Break (like) attack against another characters DPS Limit Break... All the while demanding a Sword DPS.

    There are even those that try to claim that as DRK has a two handed sword, it's play style and animations would be to similar to a two handed Katana wielding Samurai... DRK's use an over large sword (almost to heavy to wield) and dark magic derived from the void... Thematically aspects not at all similar to any representation of Samurai in past Square - Enix games.

    Quote Originally Posted by NolLacnala View Post
    Are we sure we want SAM? It uses a katana, and sword equals tank to these devs...
    Thea's a reason for that. Typically, iconically, traditionally, if someone uses a sword they are most often to challenge another to a duel face to face. It's a corner stone of the fantasy genre. As i have said before, there are very few depictions of a sword user attacking someone from behind. Though if have some of those depictions could be found i welcome them, of particular interest would be samurai attacking people from behind.
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    I figured as much I just kept seeing SAM should be a dps because too many sword tanks? (Two tanks is a lot?)

    But the option for samurai to dual wield katanas never comes up. It HAS to use a great katana.

    Like you said a certain elezen girl's LB3 was a straight up dps limit break so I doubt they create a new limit break animation for just that one scene.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alacran View Post

    Thea's a reason for that. Typically, iconically, traditionally, if someone uses a sword they are most often to challenge another to a duel face to face. It's a corner stone of the fantasy genre. As i have said before, there are very few depictions of a sword user attacking someone from behind. Though if have some of those depiction i welcome them, of particular interest would be samurai attacking people from behind.
    Then explain why Monk's whole shtick is attacking from every direction (but the front) when typically, iconically, traditionally, even in the 4.0 trailer, they face off in one on one duels from the front. If this is the dev's logic, it's flawed in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    Then explain why Monk's whole shtick is attacking from every direction (but the front) when typically, iconically, traditionally, even in the 4.0 trailer, they face off in one on one duels from the front. If this is the dev's logic, it's flawed in my opinion.
    If you will notice, the first attack made by lady in red was in fact from behind. However, even i will admit that is splitting hairs. Monks (at least i have seen represented) are often depicted in sparing matches and fights to the death (media examples) face to face, that does not take away from the typical archetype of the wise and learned fist fighter.

    As many aspects Far Eastern unarmed martial arts are centered around the flow of energy with in the body and the use of force to interrupt said energy, positioning to strike those pressure points. In this sense as the combat between unarmed (and armored) fighters is often one on one, face to face. In a group, may it be against a humanoid or say a dragon their tactics will understandably have to change.

    Keep in mind however, should it come to pass that we get skill trees that would grant role changes within current jobs, I would love to see a MNK Tank build based on VIT and Fist of Stone. A combo intensive rotation to keep up a strong regen aura for example would be exciting to play.
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