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    PAGE: 29
    HEADING: Miqo'te Migration and Origin
    SECTION: The Fifth Umbral Era


    Quote Originally Posted by Encyclopedia Eorzea pg29
    It is believed that for the years that encompassed the Fifth Umbral Era - or as it is also known, the Age of Eternal Frost - much of the Bloodbrine Sea was frozen solid, on one hand preventing fishing and decimating the populations of sea life, but on the other, allowing for the migration of Miqo’te tribes from the southern Ilsabard into northern Eorzea - tribes made up of descendants of the very same Miqo’te who were persecuted against and driven from Eorzea by the Allagan Empire almost two millennia earlier. The newly hardened seas of this frigid era provided the tribes with a means around the massive peaks of Gyr Abania that prevented their return in the Fourth Astral Era, and while there was little awaiting them in the rime-encrusted realm when they arrived, their uncanny ability in the hunt granted them a means of survival until the frost had melted.

    For starters as far as I've read so far, this passage is the only place in the book or game where "Eternal Frost" is used in place of what's seen in game and other passages as "Endless Frost."

    More to the main concern with the passage is that this seems to conflict with previous hints and text that suggest Miqo'te originated from Meracydia to the south, not Ilsabard? Including a passage DAT-mined from the game (not by me) that, if the original poster is to be believed, was intended for loading screen help/lore text?

    Quote Originally Posted by DAT File Text
    It is believed the Miqo'te first came to Eorzea during the Fifth Umbral Era, fleeing their ravaged homeland on the southern continent of Meracydia.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sesame Seeds
    A tiny seed rich in aromatic oil, sesame is native to Meracydia, and thought to have first been brought to Eorzea by migrating Miqo'te.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aloe
    A thick, spiny-leaved cactus indigenous to the southern continent of Meracydia. The Miqo'te are known to treat severe burns with the cool gel-like substance found inside the leaves.
    According to the passage, Miqo'te fled to Ilsabard/Near East to escape persecution under the Allagan Empire, but during this time period, shouldn't they have been fleeing south to Meracydia - the only continent free of Allagan rule?

    Quote Originally Posted by Encyclopedia Eorzea pg25
    ...the direct descendants of Xande fostered the growth of the empire by dispatching its armies to the far corners of Ilsabard and Othard. While there was resistance, the empire made short work of all who stood before it, and in time there was not a city in the Three Great Continents where the imperial standard did not hang.

    Is this another retcon? Or did the Miqo'te originate on Meracydia prior to the Allagan Empire but were later forced northwards, only to return south to Eorzea thousands of years after the calamity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sounsyy View Post
    HEADING: Beastkin or Seedkin?
    This might be explained by the existence of sub-classes. Beastkin-sub-Seedkin; a beast covered in symbiotic plants.
    Some of the other bestiary oddities I cannot explain, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sounsyy View Post
    HEADING: Limsa Lominsa's Founding a Retcon?
    Ayyy, this one was on my to-do list. Good summary of the evidence; not many people remember Frithuric. Like you, I assumed that Meracydia vs. Sea Wolf would be a good assumption for the fall of the Southern Kingdom. This would explain the not-Sea Wolf helmsmen, for starters. And it would still leave them plenty of time to become a dominant force in the area later, when racial tensions hit their peak and Limsa grew from fishing village towards pirate capital. However, Frithy's tale seems to be contradicted by everything from Lominsan history to Sea Wolf history at large, so it's not looking well for him.

    Assume that the Sea Wolves whose failed uprising against a tyrant in the Northern Empty (aka Northern Wastes) 700 years ago did found Limsa Lominsa. It's not so weird that they would have Elezen helmsman; Sharlayan would be close by (a bastion of knowledge and home to some demographic of Elezen). Even if they weren't from Sharlayan proper, there would be precedent for Elezen to be there and be considered good helmsmen.

    They sailed for a year and had many troubles before landing on Vylbrand, so it's not hard to assume that this is when the raiding and pillaging took place and the failed raid that led to them being rounded happened towards the tail end of it.

    I've tried my hand at meshing the two stories together, but it's messy. For starters, one might imagine that even a fraction of a Sea Wolf armada from a capital in the Northern Empty could be comparable to the naval might of a southern city - from their perspective it would be an armada as terrifying as their own (eventually giving rise to tall tales of four thousand vs. four thousand ships in the battle to end all battles). But how he would mistake the outcome of the battle...

    The name of the city sounds Lalafellin, does it not?... I wonder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sounsyy View Post
    The Near East - Ilsabard or Thavnair?
    I think you're right in that it's probably both far-southern Ilsabard (which we rarely hear about considering Garlemald is in the north) and the islands nearby, similar to how Eorzea is Aldenard and its surrounding islands.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sounsyy View Post
    Miqo'te Migration and Origin
    Hot topic atm. Curious to see where it goes.
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    HEADING: A Chronology of the Sixth Astral Era / Ul'dah
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    : A New Dynasty

    These two pages disagree on whether Baldric Throne or Baldurf Thorne imprisoned Sasagan III.
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