Encyclopædia Eorzea ("Lore Book") Bug Report Thread

[Anonymoose]

PAGE: 018
HEADING: Creation
SUBHEADING: n/a

The fourth paragraph beings with the word It repeated twice.

[Morningstar1337]

PAGE: ??? (still have no book)
Heading: Voidsent
Subheading: Dahaka

There's a reasonI colored the subheading. and that reason is there is an extra A there that isn't in the respective Mob's Nameplates in both Mhach and the Palace of the Dead, for reference the latter is called the Nightmare Dahak and the Mhach one is the Summoned Dahak.

Also the entire entry on that Mob has the name with that extra letter.

I apologize if this has been brought up before

[Sounsyy]

Finally got my lore book! Time for the RPC's loremonger to jump in. I've seen a few things that conflict with the game's given lore and I was hoping for further clarification!


PAGE: 275
HEADING: Beastkin or Seedkin?
SECTION: Beastiary - Beastkin - Goobbue

Goobbues are listed in the lore book under the Beastkin class, but previous in game lore defines them as seedkin?

To achieve their cyclopean size, goobbues must maintain a daily diet of several times their own weight. Luckily, the seedkin are not fincky eaters, and will consume almost anything that cannot outrun them. If rumors are to be believed, this includes Lalafells.

[Sounsyy]

PAGE: 12-13
HEADING: The Near East - Ilsabard or Thavnair?
SECTION: Geography

After quickly toppling several nearby nations, the Garleans, now an empire, set their sights on warmer climes and led their armies across the mountains and into southern Ilsabard - an area known to Eorzeans as the Near East…

To the south of Ilsabard lies a great sea known as the Bounty… The most prominent of those civilizations would have to be that of Radz-at-Han, located on Thavnair - the Bounty’s largest landmass.

This seems to conflict with in game lore that uses Thavnair and the Near East as inseparable terms that are nearly completely interchangeable.

Our impromptu excursion to the Near East afforded me the opportunity to sample authentic Thavnairian cuisine. I should like to introduce it to the Scions, but achieving the perfect balance of spices is key…

This silk has been spun from thread created by a worm found only on the Near Eastern island of Thavnair.

In response to recent fluctuations in the market, the [Brugaire Consortium] is sourcing these arms from the city-state of Radz-at-Han, far across the Jade Sea. I should note at this juncture that these are no ordinary weapons—they are fashioned from a peculiar stone called Giantsgall, a material traditionally used in the making of Near Eastern arms.

To list a few of about 30 or so other correlations. Additionally, as yet in game, we've never once seen any part of Ilsabard referred to as anything but "the northern great continent"?

Until some fifty years ago, Garlemald was a remote and sparsely populated nation which held little more than a fraction of the northern continent of Ilsabard. But with the arrival of a technological golden age and the concurrent emergence of a brilliant young legatus—now the reigning emperor—in the span of a single generation Garlemald established itself as one of the most formidable forces in all of Hydaelyn.

In the name of the Twelve and all that is good, you must cease this folly at once! The Ixal and Amalj'aa are not enemies!Your enemies lie in the northeast—the Empire! They are the true threat to Eorzea. What will come of quarreling amongst yourselves!?

My assumption is that the region known as the Near East must include all of these islands and small landmasses in the Bounty / Jade Sea as well as the southern tip of Ilsabard, but the revelation seemed to come out of left field is all?

[Sounsyy]

PAGE: 13
HEADING: Meracydian Trade
SECTION: Geography

While some areas remain uninhabitable even today, those which have been repopulated remain recluse and very rarely welcome contact with the civilizations of the northern hemisphere, ofttimes attacking those who approach, whether it be by sea or by air.

I'm in love with the new Meracydian revelations, but this segment seems to conflict somewhat with many sources from 1.0 and ARR implying that there exists varied trade between Meracydia and Limsa Lominsa especially, but also the other southern Eorzean city-states?

Quality rubber soles crafted by the skilled alchemists of Eorzea is a highly sought-after item in the faraway land of Meracydia. The Seventy-seven Caravans is currently preparing a shipment bound for the southern continent via Limsa Lominsa, but is still far from meeting its quota.

An informant from Ul'dah had provided representatives from Black Rabbit Traders with a rumor that the Jolly Raptor is planning a shipment of gnat antennae to the witch doctors of Meracydia, and that the company has been promised an exorbitant sum of gil upon its delivery. The Black Rabbit does not believe that their rivals should have the privilege to horde all the profits, and so has begun planning a shipment of their own.

In a game of Meracydian chess, the first move is always the most important. While there is no one correct move, there are many which are incorrect. Make the incorrect move and you will never win. The same is true in the game of piracy.

Lookee here, thatsh a full bottle! I had one of thoshe around here before. I think shummin’ happened to it. Thanksh! You’re the best app'rition I ever sheen. Shupposed to be other cargo too─cheshts full of electrum bars ‘n’ the like for trading with the Easht and Merash… Merashummin’. Me, I’ll take the wine…

With additional references to importing Meracydian samite from Elfleda near the Sanctum to Mistbeard's infamous heist of a ten-ponz Meracydian diamond from the Sultan's vaults. While we could chalk all this up to some of those "very rare" instances mentioned in the lore book, the bit about Meracydian chess seems to suggest a much more personal exchanging of ideas between the two continents. There's even the Kple Kple, which was made from the mask of Meracydian tribesmen as a gift to a Gridanian conjurer. If there's any light you can shed on this perhaps?

[Sounsyy]

PAGE: 95
HEADING: Limsa Lominsa's Founding a Retcon?
SECTION: History


I had actually hoped to bring this question up at Fanfest, but when I got my hands on the lore book and saw this key difference in stories, it raised more questions.

The first, and northernmost, is a remote archipelago known as Aerslaent - homeland of the Sea Wolf tribe of Roegadyn. It is from these islands that the first inhabitants of Limsa Lominsa are said to have hailed - arriving on Vylbrand after a failed raiding attempt in the southern Rhotano Sea.

In 874 of the Sixth Astral Era, the Galadion set sail from the isles deep in the northern seas - the last of a mighty armada which turned on its nation in the name of the people, only to meet defeat at the hands of those they meant to free. The Sea Wolf crew of this noble vessel, who could no longer abide the rule of tyrants, steered her crippled hull south though unknown waters in search of a new home. After a yearlong voyage cursed by many troubles, the ship drifted to the southern coast of Vylbrand, and there ran aground.

To start, even these two passages on Limsa's founding in the lore book conflict somewhat, but comparing them to the original story has me very confused.

You hear the legend of how this city was born? Well, years ago, there was this mighty kingdom far to the south–so far, they say that it would take a man half his life to sail to her shores–and it had an invincible armada of twenty score times ten unsinkable battleships. They conquered nigh on every city for a thousand leagues, and were the unchallenged master of the sea…until, that is, an armada just as invincible as their own invaded their waters.

Both sides fought with the courage of lions and the ferocity of sharks, but the kingdom’s fighters, so used to doing the attacking themselves, were unsure how to defend against onslaughts of a similar nature. And so their fleet was nearly destroyed and their cities were completely razed. Only a small fleet of their fastest dromonds was able to escape the carnage under cover of nightfall. It pained the crews to abandon their lands, of course, but they knew flight was the only way to ensure their people lived on.

And so they sailed and they sailed, until one day a terrible storm–some say sent by Llymlaen herself–picked up the few remaining ships and tossed them down upon the rocks of La Noscea. The ships were too badly damaged to be rebuilt, though by this time the men were weary from their journey, and no longer wished to run. And so they salvaged the remnants of their ships and built a tiny settlement on the rocks. Over time that settlement grew…and transformed into the city you see here today.

Obviously, taking into account that NPCs are wholly unreliable narrators and legends being even less reliable sources of historical fact - this story closely resembles the first passage from Pg13, but nothing like the one from Pg95. Obviously this "southern kingdom" isn't half a lifetime away, but the southern continent of Meracydia is implied to take quite some time by boat.

Its name meaning “stalwart” in the Lalafellin tongue, this deep-sea predator is not only massive, but deceptively fast. Some sailors swear that a mahi-mahi can make the journey from Meracydia to the Cieldales in less than a fortnight, though knowing most sailors, that claim may be slightly exaggerated.

This information, as well as the many citations of trade between Meracydia and Limsa Lominsa I mentioned in my previous post, guided a theory that Limsa Lominsans might have originated from Meracydia and then been conquered by the Sea Wolf armadas of the north - giving rise to the ARR text citing Sea Wolves as the founders of the city-state after enduring horrifying raids along Eorzea's coastlines.

Every child has heard frightening bedtime tales of fearless, bloodthirsty vikings who would stalk the five seas in their longboats, mercilessly reaving and pillaging costal villages until the shiploads were overflowing with plunder, and the villages with their bastards.

This has sparked several questions: If the Galadion and Limsa Lominsa are of Sea Wolf origin, why then are three out of the four named crew members Elezen? Why does the Galadion not have a Sea Wolf name? And where did the name Limsa Lominsa come from? It just strikes me as extremely odd that a city supposedly founded by Sea Wolves has almost nothing named in the Sea Wolf tongue or at least named after the Galadion's admiral, Elilwaen, the as yet only known Roegadyn aboard the ship. But they named several important things in Limsa after the Elezen crew.

But I guess the most important question, is this a retcon?

[Sounsyy]

PAGE: 29
HEADING: Miqo'te Migration and Origin
SECTION: The Fifth Umbral Era

It is believed that for the years that encompassed the Fifth Umbral Era - or as it is also known, the Age of Eternal Frost - much of the Bloodbrine Sea was frozen solid, on one hand preventing fishing and decimating the populations of sea life, but on the other, allowing for the migration of Miqo’te tribes from the southern Ilsabard into northern Eorzea - tribes made up of descendants of the very same Miqo’te who were persecuted against and driven from Eorzea by the Allagan Empire almost two millennia earlier. The newly hardened seas of this frigid era provided the tribes with a means around the massive peaks of Gyr Abania that prevented their return in the Fourth Astral Era, and while there was little awaiting them in the rime-encrusted realm when they arrived, their uncanny ability in the hunt granted them a means of survival until the frost had melted.

For starters as far as I've read so far, this passage is the only place in the book or game where "Eternal Frost" is used in place of what's seen in game and other passages as "Endless Frost."

More to the main concern with the passage is that this seems to conflict with previous hints and text that suggest Miqo'te originated from Meracydia to the south, not Ilsabard? Including a passage DAT-mined from the game (not by me) that, if the original poster is to be believed, was intended for loading screen help/lore text?

It is believed the Miqo'te first came to Eorzea during the Fifth Umbral Era, fleeing their ravaged homeland on the southern continent of Meracydia.

A tiny seed rich in aromatic oil, sesame is native to Meracydia, and thought to have first been brought to Eorzea by migrating Miqo'te.

A thick, spiny-leaved cactus indigenous to the southern continent of Meracydia. The Miqo'te are known to treat severe burns with the cool gel-like substance found inside the leaves.

According to the passage, Miqo'te fled to Ilsabard/Near East to escape persecution under the Allagan Empire, but during this time period, shouldn't they have been fleeing south to Meracydia - the only continent free of Allagan rule?

...the direct descendants of Xande fostered the growth of the empire by dispatching its armies to the far corners of Ilsabard and Othard. While there was resistance, the empire made short work of all who stood before it, and in time there was not a city in the Three Great Continents where the imperial standard did not hang.

Is this another retcon? Or did the Miqo'te originate on Meracydia prior to the Allagan Empire but were later forced northwards, only to return south to Eorzea thousands of years after the calamity?

[Anonymoose]

HEADING: Beastkin or Seedkin?

This might be explained by the existence of sub-classes. Beastkin-sub-Seedkin; a beast covered in symbiotic plants.
Some of the other bestiary oddities I cannot explain, though.

HEADING: Limsa Lominsa's Founding a Retcon?

Ayyy, this one was on my to-do list. Good summary of the evidence; not many people remember Frithuric. Like you, I assumed that Meracydia vs. Sea Wolf would be a good assumption for the fall of the Southern Kingdom. This would explain the not-Sea Wolf helmsmen, for starters. And it would still leave them plenty of time to become a dominant force in the area later, when racial tensions hit their peak and Limsa grew from fishing village towards pirate capital. However, Frithy's tale seems to be contradicted by everything from Lominsan history to Sea Wolf history at large, so it's not looking well for him.

Assume that the Sea Wolves whose failed uprising against a tyrant in the Northern Empty (aka Northern Wastes) 700 years ago did found Limsa Lominsa. It's not so weird that they would have Elezen helmsman; Sharlayan would be close by (a bastion of knowledge and home to some demographic of Elezen). Even if they weren't from Sharlayan proper, there would be precedent for Elezen to be there and be considered good helmsmen.

They sailed for a year and had many troubles before landing on Vylbrand, so it's not hard to assume that this is when the raiding and pillaging took place and the failed raid that led to them being rounded happened towards the tail end of it.

I've tried my hand at meshing the two stories together, but it's messy. For starters, one might imagine that even a fraction of a Sea Wolf armada from a capital in the Northern Empty could be comparable to the naval might of a southern city - from their perspective it would be an armada as terrifying as their own (eventually giving rise to tall tales of four thousand vs. four thousand ships in the battle to end all battles). But how he would mistake the outcome of the battle...

The name of the city sounds Lalafellin, does it not?... I wonder.

The Near East - Ilsabard or Thavnair?

I think you're right in that it's probably both far-southern Ilsabard (which we rarely hear about considering Garlemald is in the north) and the islands nearby, similar to how Eorzea is Aldenard and its surrounding islands.

Miqo'te Migration and Origin

Hot topic atm. Curious to see where it goes.

[Anonymoose]

PAGE: 050 / 129
HEADING: A Chronology of the Sixth Astral Era / Ul'dah
SUBHEADING: A New Dynasty

These two pages disagree on whether Baldric Throne or Baldurf Thorne imprisoned Sasagan III.

[Fenral]

They've finally opened preorders for the luckless sods like me who had to go on the waiting list. Will those of us getting our books in December get a chance to join in the debugging fun, or have there already been revisions made for the second printing?