There Is No Dancer (yet)

[Kikoten]

I do agree with you that some of the reasons to why she is a dancer are way too daydreamy, but some of the reasons to why she isn't follows up the same path. If there is no 100% proof or evidence that she is a dancer or not, it's up to debate. If that debate takes 100+ pages there's nothing we can do about it, because everyone has the right to speak what they are thinking about a debateable subject without being belittled for what they believe due to the lack of more information. That's the whole point of speculating something.

This.

And I can't help but want to laugh out loud at the tags located below. "it's a monk you fools" is pure gold. Thanks, Crysten!

I also wonder how much of what goes on in the North American General Discussion forum actually reaches Yoshi P's eyes and ears. Ultimately, I wonder how hard he's laughing at us right now.

[Xiao_]

Talk about things I want to talk about only! Dancer isn't worth talking about!

consider the following: what if people are talking about dancer because that is what they want to talk about?
i'm not talking about red mage because i don't care about red mage. i'm not talking about raids because i've seen exactly zero pieces of information about them to discuss. and tbh, no one is going to stop talking about the (possible) parts of the expansion that THEY want to talk about, just to protect your pathetic feelings about what we should and should not be talking about.

if you've had enough of this thread, stop reading it. lmao it's that simple.

[Kikoten]

I wanna try to push this debate in a new direction, by focusing more on the identity of the Lady in Red. Watching the first 0:55 seconds of the Stormblood teaser again, I imagined that she may not have been much different from K'lyhia in the Arcanist quest line.

ACN story spoilers, anyone who might be new to FFXIV:

To get closer to Doesmaga, K'lyhia donned a borrowed outfit, which belonged to one of the performers of Costa del Sol. IIRC, she posed as a dancer (not relating to what we see in the SB trailer), or a courtesan of some kind, and even put on an act.

Suppose that the Lady in Red could have been doing just that in Ala Mhigo, while 2.0 thru 3.4 was going on here on our side of the continent. She could very well be a Monk who is witty and tactical like K'lyhia, donning the outfit of a dancer or courtesan to get closer to an enemy.

If she is truly a DNC, in the story or otherwise, I don't think we have to worry about similarities in fighting style. After all, look at the Ninja. Ninjas are typically martial artists, yet the NIN fights nothing like the MNK. I believe SE could pull that off with the DNC.

[Saito_S]

Sorry, but I understand where Balipu is coming from. I can't say I'm personally as bothered by it, but he's essentially correct.

I mean, it's similar to what I said before when I posted in this thread a few pages back, but I honestly still don't understand where the idea of her being a dancer even comes from. Because she doesn't fucking dance. There isn't a single moment in the trailer where she does anything about which you could reasonably say: "This looks like dancing, more than it look like pure martial arts."

I mean, yes, martial arts forms do have some resemblance to "dancing", in a very loose, very vague sense, but an actual "dancer" CLASS would - I would think?? - be more about dancing, and not forms that "kinda look a bit like dancing", wouldn't it?

Put another way: a dancer class would draw from (and in FF games, always has drawn from, to my knowledge) actual, formal forms of dancing as it's primary movement set, both in terms of concept (i.e. skills having names like "Samba" or simply "Dance" as with Mog in FFVI) and in the visuals. Any martial abilities, anything that looks much more strongly like "martial arts" than "dancing", and certainly anything that is a direct, hard strike which is the vast majority of what the Lady in Red does, would be secondary, if it's present at all. And would people really WANT a dancer class that fights (and, by extension, plays) this much like a monk? Wouldn't you want a dancer that does something DIFFERENT, that doesn't just contribute to the party's progress by imitating a monk but with some extra sleeve attack? Wouldn't you want a dancer who dances?

Don't get me wrong, I am neither saying I don't want dancer, nor that I think it's impossible we will get dancer. All I AM saying is that the Lady in Red doesn't dance! And I don't get why people think she's somehow representative of a dancer, or serves as confirmation that we are getting a dancer job.

[Kikoten]

I honestly still don't understand where the idea of her being a dancer even comes from.

...martial arts forms do have some resemblance to "dancing", in a very loose, very vague sense.

That'd be where the idea started. People were already speculating DNC as a possibility of a job in the next expansion. Once that teaser went up, the Lady in Red (Scarlet Witch!!!! JK) was indeed performing a martial arts form that, for just one moment, appeared dance-like, before it became apparent that it was a martial arts form. That one moment was all it took to create his huge ripple effect that became this thread (and others).

I've been flip-flopping between the two sides; because the speculation behind this lady is so big, it's easy for me to argue for and against both sides.

[Alleo]

Uhm if you dont want to discuss dancer or the possibilty that this woman might be a dancer or not, then how about just ignoring this topic? One is not forced to take part in any discussion that is going on in the forum and I would never click on a thread if I find the topic to be boring or not worth a discussion. By posting such a thing in the thread you either let it live on even longer or you could create more hateful posts as an answer to yours and many things more.

How would you like it, if you want to speculate about something that you find fun and people post in your thread that you should stop this joke! I mean Balipu did you not create a thread about Vampires in Eorzea? About wanting them in the game and compare them to other FF games? There was no real evidence of their existence and yet you created a thread. So should the discussion there stop too since there is no real proof anyway? (And before someone takes this the wrong way: I love to speculate about things so I love threads like that because its interesting to see what people come up with.)

I am kinda getting a little tired of people that are eager to discuss the topic they like even if its just pure speculation but take down any topic which they believe to be nonsense even so other people are interested in discussing it..(not only meant at Balipu)

I dont really care if she is a dancer or a monk or something else. I just find the discussion interesting and seeing the end results after all the speculation. Maybe nobody is right and she is her own class with is not available to us. Who knows. There is evidence for both sides and even though I dont really know older FF games I did see some similarities to her with dancers from old games and at the same time I could also just see her as a monk that may had more than one teacher thus having a different fighting style..but as long as the devs, Yoshida or the game tells dont us, we wont 100% know what she is, so saying that any of the side has no arguments is bad..especially since there are more than enough pages with quite good evidence for both sides. (Theoretically the CGI trailer could show us a dancer that for the sake of letting us speculate does not truly show us how the class plays, or maybe that NPC is a combination of monk and dancer thus showing us not truly what a dancer could do ) You know, you can take a lot of arguments and flip them around, even more if we dont know the whole truth.

And like I already wrote once, the reaction of the crowd at the stream was quite telling. So either this was done on purpose and they wanted us to believe that she might be a new class or maybe they did not thing that people take it that way. But I believe that SE know what they do and that this was on purpose..if for pure trolling the audience or for giving us a hint..this remains to be seen.

About tags: There was once a thread about offensive tags and the devs did say there that such tags are against the ToS because they are mean. So lets just remember that tags like "its a monk you fools" which even shows the username can be reported and that they can take actions against them. Putting insulting tags down there is imo just showing that the person has no argument left.

[PrincessNuri]

Off topic...how I saw the trailer

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-aGp4GXQFP0

[Verius_Nox]

You must be exciting at parties.

[Annah]

I can't believe this has gone on for 35 pages.....

[Crysten]

This.

And I can't help but want to laugh out loud at the tags located below. "it's a monk you fools" is pure gold. Thanks, Crysten!

Putting insulting tags down there is imo just showing that the person has no argument left.

Okay, okay, I'm sorry.

In the true spirit of impartiality and non-biased speculation, I have amended the tags in this thread accordingly.