Main Scenario Restriction Bloodstorm - Very Very Bad idea.

[Blood-Aki]

Lol.

Yes, it is GREAT fun to be able to play the class I want to play upon creating a character and not have to suffer through weeks and weeks of WASTING xp on a class I do NOT want to play just to access the class I do - and then, as a result, not have enough XP via quests to cap the class I want and be forced to do mindless grinding instead.

You must be new to this game, or any RPG for that matter, if you had no fun with any of the 1st, basic jobs then you obviously did not enjoy this game to begin with, but it's almost a moot point because this game follows a trinity system, tank/healer/dps, are you saying only a specific one of those classes are the only ones you would "enjoy"? to the point you don't want to ever touch any others but the exact extra jobs, that start at level 30 only?

But please, point out where I have EVER asked to be ported to end-game immediately. I'll be waiting, because you won't be able to find it.

Never said you did, May want to try reading the post again, instead of just quoting and trying very poorly i might add to look as smug as possible. Did you mistake "having all jobs at start" from "endgame"?

[KaitlanKela]

Oh wow, I'm surprised you can actually string words together and do something other than insult.
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Wow, I'm surprised you can do something other than straw man my point. Oh wait. There you go with the Cutscene argument again...


It has nothing to do with cutscenes. It has to do with naturally introducing skills alongside the appropriate level of content that helps people practically apply them.

And while I agree that dungeons are easy compared to other content, most of the player base is casual and runs dungeons more than trials and raids and other kinds of content. And yet so many people STILL can't do it. Do you think that eliminating mandatory dungeon content will help or hurt? Honestly. And you still equated Sastasha with the Vault to make your point? A bit of a stretch, don't you think? Are you really being truthful with your argumentation?

So you're a special snowflake who don't need no MSQ instances to be good. Well, again, look at the population of the game that isn't you. Hard for you I imagine. As I have said here and other places, there are plenty of people in the community who can't play their jobs well regardless of having instances gradually teach them. Is eliminating that system going to make it better or worse?

[SendohJin]

Why can't the expansion be completely removed from the MSQ... we're not asking to get rid of the story...but continue telling stories...just allow those of who want to pick and choose when we want to do the various stories.

Because the story is how you get access to many areas. Ishgard doesn't allow random people to go in. Churning Mists and Azys Lla didn't have adventurers for hundreds??? of years. Ala Mhigo is blocked to anyone that's not affiliated with the Garleans.

they link them to tell one cohesive story. jobs should not be locked by the MSQ but certain zones should be.

[Welsper59]

And that's where I stopped reading, because that's all I'm asking for. Is simply for the story to be optional like how it is in every other MMO. Some people like grinding, some people like reading walls of texts and picking up soup for the villagers, some people like crafting. It's a MMO let people play how they want within reason.

And that's exactly why people have a problem with you, and those like you. You ignore everything being stated because you seem to think it has to only be that one way. It doesn't have to be the way you want it to, as I pointed out despite you electing to stop reading. You say "within reason", but how exactly is it not within reason to expect people to clear MSQ? Currently, people don't seem to have a problem doing it. It's clearly a design choice the devs themselves want and is honestly "within reason". They learned their lesson about the jobs thing from HW, so a big valid criticism of being unreasonable has been taken care of as far as we know. Once our Squadrons are able to be taken into dungeons, I'm pretty sure this becomes even more of a streamlined process. Again, a clearly harmless design choice of devs wanting players to see the story (whether you want to or not, and most don't mind it).

[Ametrine]

I'm curious if the skill retooling for 4.0 is partly intended to ease the grind since it sounds as if cross-classing is being abolished in favor of a secondary, role based move pool to cherry pick skills from.

Say what you will, but I'd have no issue with chucking that and the second class job requirements. I put of leveling BLM for an embarrassing amount of time based sole of my revulsion and discomfort how Archer feels. But Quelling Strikes! UGH!!

[MilesSaintboroguh]

So, can we expect this thread to be bumped when 4.0 comes close?

[Neophyte]

Enough people to justify a really quick nerf of just everything about that trial.

You're seeing this backwards. Story won't help clear content, but clearing the content was required to see the story. And lots of people complained about not being able to see the story. Again, why do you think we have Alex Normal ?

So, a few dozen people you know don't care about the story ? Yeah, totally relevant, considering the playerbase is far above several hundred thousands. Besides, you might want to look at the definition of no one. You might be surprised.

And again, no one we don't claim you need the story to clear a dungeon. Just that the story itself is a huge motivation for a lot of players...in case it wasn't clear the first three times, enough players so that the Dev team decided to make a story mode of Alex. And with that, the hardcore raiders even complained that they didn't have a story incentive to do Alex Savage, so that the Dev Team starts considering side-"what-if"-stories tied to it.

Yep, clearly, no one cares...

But why does people who don't care about the story (or as I said quite often now: Someone like me who cares, but wants to have a 2nd or 3rd character in end-game content) even bother you?

As Terribad explained: Doing all the MSQ isn't doing anything good or worse to the overall player skill. There are some who care about getting good, and some who don't. That has nothing to do with doing MSQ.
Yes, MSQ is a slow way to learn every bit of the game in a set pace... but what, if someone doesn't want to, but wants to learn the ins and outs of the battle content with PotD or with friends in current content? As if they care that the first 20 runs with their friend are kinda rough. All I see is that you want to prevent them from that.
Maybe a girl-/boyfriend who enjoyed the story together with you and then decides to make an own account and enjoy the further story together with 2 characters? Too bad, you're only entiteld to leave base game after 280+ quests.

If people still have a sprout for 168h and get encouraged to learn their class there is no problem. This encouragment to actually learn a bit about your class has to be created anyway. They could also create something like an alternate 10h long MSQ (you can already be level 50) which leads people into the game mechanics and "what has happened". Make it cost ~20€ like a DCL for a normal game to justify those extra works for that, pff..

And also: If FF is that story-centered and there are mostly people joining this game and staying subbed for the story... what exactly do you fear?! There will only be a small percentage (mostly players who already did it or really wants to do the things which i named above) who actually buys it. So... if you're right, why should anyone even jump into this game and actually want such things? And if you're wrong, well, then you're wrong.
Every € from a no-story-player can be invested in creating more and better story for me and you. So why not?

I ask again... why do you even care? Can you please make a [*list][*/list]with every aspect affecting you (or me or any other player you currently know) in a negative way, if there were.. let's say.. 5% of the player base in end game, which actually have skipped the ARR MSQ? Aspects which can be unambigious referred to those x% (overall player skill is not such a thing, as you have said by yourself and which got elaborated quite often now).


Oh, also another question: Why do you think the raid stories and the triad one are actually optional? Why did we not had to complete coil to enter HW?

[Eimian_Eda]

if you had no fun with any of the 1st, basic jobs then you obviously did not enjoy this game to begin with

lol What? I have no bone in this fight, but unless I am misunderstanding this comment...

There are masses of players who wait until certain classes come out before they play, as the launch choices don't peak their interest (who then go on to enjoy their game experience with the class they want).

[Chalbee]

You could, yes. Good luck getting into groups without cleric stance, protect, swiftcast, etc...The point I was making still stands, namely that the jobs are designed to necessitate the appropriate cross class skills from the relevant ARR jobs.

Your point absolutely does not stand. Your argument is essentially "These jobs should be gated as late-game to make sure people have the appropriate off-class skills" but you're ignoring the fact that a) there are other jobs that need off class skills to play properly and those jobs are not gated and b) you can level to 50 as an entirely different role, and still unlock the job.

Further, whether or not there is an MSQ barrier is immaterial to whether or not you get optional skills. The game only requires you be level 50 and reach a certain MSQ milestone. Conjurer and Arcanist, meanwhile, are accessible from level 1, but White Mage and Scholar still need Swiftcast to function properly. In other words, gating does nothing to force you to get the proper off-class skills. What you described (groups not accepting you), however, does encourage one to get the proper off-class skills, and can be done at any point in the game regardless of story progression.

There is no legitimate argument for jobs being gated behind the MSQ.

[Ametrine]

So, can we expect this thread to be bumped when 4.0 comes close?

Of course not. 5 new ones will be made instead.