With Eve gone, only sub based MMOs left are FFXIV and WoW

[Dualgunner]

Yes you do? Buying an expansion is buying everything in it, just that unlike WoW where you get nearly all content from the start, the devs stagger content so you don't run out of things to do.

If content updates weren't included in the price of expansion a player joining in 3.5 would have to pay an additional $45 per content update.

3.0, nor 2.0 by themselves have enough content to be considered a full $60 game.

I would say that 3.0 and 2.0 have enough content to stand as a game on their own. It may be a matter of perspective but it took me ~30 hours to clear heavensward at the rate I normally clear an SRPG, similar with ARR.

Breaking it down to pure costs of the game, gonna admit an embarassing 200 days of gameplay total...roughly 4800 hours of gameplay?

I have paid for 990 days worth of gametime, so roughly 33 sets of one month (30 day) $15 payments. Leaving out two months because of the free months from HW and ARR, that's 31 payments of $15.

So ~$465 in payments over two ish years of playing. Add ~$90 ($30 cuz I got ARR on sale and $60 for HW) and that comes up to $555 on sub payments alone.

Sound like a lot?

Divide that by total hours played:

$550/4800 comes out to roughly...

$0.12/hour for entertainment. Which in my opinion is incredibly worth the experience I've received from the game. Not everyone will have the same hours or value of time that I have, and of course I've left out mogstation payments as those are on me entirely. But $0.12 an hour is really not that bad a price to eat.

[Chiramu]

also, every time I see someone suggest that "a Subscription = a better community", I /facepalm.

there is toxicity everywhere in MMOs, and 15 dollars a month does not and will not ever prevent it.

I was reading that one line about F2P adding toxicity and I LUL'd. FFXIV has a very toxic community, if you don't agree with the FFXIV crowd about how great the game is even when it's boring you better get ready to burn in Hell XD.

[Jandor]

[snip] Again, After what you said, I'm really keen on unfreezing my sub to check out the current content

I'd wait until they add in the new trial mode tbh, sign up with Pandemic Horde (if you want to get stuck into PvP) or Karmafleet (if you want some PvP but not on your doorstep every other day) and give it a go. I bet both organizations are already planning something with the influx of players the game will see.

As for Citadels and other new structures, the plan IIRC (been unsubbed a while now, just follow the news a bit still) is to reduce NS dependency on HS by making it easier to manufacture out in the depths, can always sample it for yourself before deciding to resub. If you want to manufacture I reckon null could soon be the place to do it, less competition = more profits.

And did you at all bother to read the links I provided? I'm assuming not. Because if you did you would have read that CCP (the company that creates EVE Online) is planning for it to go F2P in November. Next month.
One of the links is actually EVE Online's community site.
Unless I'm spouting old news that has since changed.. I have no issue with admitting I'm wrong, but I'm not doing so with people that aren't going to acknowledge the info I've provided.

You're definition of F2P is weird, a version of pokemon that ended at the 1st gym would be a full free game using it. Pretty much everyone else would call it a demo, or a trial, or a sample.
'EVE goes F2P' generates more clicks than 'EVE removes time limit from trial'. That is why gaming news sites are reporting it as F2P.

The closest thing I can think of would probably be Guild Wars 2, I think you're restricted to level 60 instead of 80 and can't access the new areas but other than that it's pretty much the full game. That was widely reported as 'going F2P' but most people still refer to it as a B2P title because while the amount you get for free is certainly generous you're still missing massive chunks of the game.

[Kosmos992k]

MMORPGs aren't a visual novel, there's more than story in a MMORPG, and you didn't address this

> If content updates weren't included in the price of expansion a player joining in 3.5 would have to pay an additional $45 per content update.

No, the content added in patches is considered part of the service offering. Yes it means that if you join at 3.5 having bought HW, you have access to everything from 3.0 through 3.5. that's a consequence of having a linear story and also needing to maintain the same client version with all players. The price of the HW game covers 3.0, the subscription grants access to the servers which includes all content upgrades. The content in the patches is not priced separately, nor rolled into the original purchase.

[alimdia]

No, the content added in patches is considered part of the service offering. Yes it means that if you join at 3.5 having bought HW, you have access to everything from 3.0 through 3.5. that's a consequence of having a linear story and also needing to maintain the same client version with all players. The price of the HW game covers 3.0, the subscription grants access to the servers which includes all content upgrades. The content in the patches is not priced separately, nor rolled into the original purchase.

Sorry but your logic doesn't seem right, you're saying that not subbing means you get free content if you play at the end of the expansion, you're also saying that FFXIV gets less content per expansion than any other MMO, I have to disagree with that. For me buying an expansion equals to paying for all content, while sub allows you to access the servers, hence why sub is time based and no content based, while the expansion is content based and not time based.

[Zojha]

For me buying an expansion equals to paying for all content, while sub allows you to access the servers, hence why sub is time based and no content based, while the expansion is content based and not time based.

Well...I would advise against drawing conclusion based on the pricing model. Consider - character slots and retainers are time based (monthly) costs as well, yet once you have created the characters/stored the items on the retainers, they have to be stored all the time regardless of whether you have access to them or not (as you might want them back at some point), so they take up just as many resources. This is a clear disconnect between the pricing model and the actual resource usage. Therefore, the same might apply to expansions and the patches. Might - or might not. It's not very clear cut either way.

[Kyuuen]

You're definition of F2P is weird, a version of pokemon that ended at the 1st gym would be a full free game using it. Pretty much everyone else would call it a demo, or a trial, or a sample.
'EVE goes F2P' generates more clicks than 'EVE removes time limit from trial'. That is why gaming news sites are reporting it as F2P.

Apologies if you responded to this before my editing... over reacted and jumped to conclusions.

However, regardless of the fact that features and content will be gated behind actually becoming a sub. You have the choice to play a game; that you >>HAD<< to have been a sub to play in the past, indefinitely through your choosing and without end. So you are playing a game, that you ultimately DO NOT have; or rather will not have to in the future, to pay a monthly fee for, therefore it is F2P and is not a "demo" or "trial," as those tend to have an end, conclusion or limit to.

You don't get to redefine F2P just because you don't like the option available.

[alimdia]

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The cost of storage is almost negligible in 2016, they went down a great deal compared to the early times of MMOs, most of the resources used by players are used when they are online and active, as it contributes to server load.

But you're right that we can't know for sure how SE is distributing their income, it just for me doesn't make any logical sense to say that there's no relation between the cost of expansion and following patches, if you pay for sub but not for expansion you're not going to access heavensward content, if you pay for expansion but not sub that doesn't halt new content patches, but you can't access your character.

[Jandor]

One of CCP own Dev's said it was going F2P... ffs stop being lazy and actually go to the first link of the three I posted. I'll even make it easy for you.
From Eve's own community page. https://community.eveonline.com/news...to-eve-online/
Their words. Not Mine. Free. To. Play. Take it or leave, done trying to convince you beyond this post.

Free to play, their words? Hmmm

Click link
Ctrl+F
"Free to play"
Phrase not found...

Edit: I went and checked Reddit as well, as some staff members post there quite a bit. None of them refer to it as F2P in their comment history. I'm not going to check the official forums as that would take much longer, but I really don't think CCP has referred to the changes as 'going F2P' or anything similar.

[kaptainpancake69]

Choose 2

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[Free 2 Play]
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