With Eve gone, only sub based MMOs left are FFXIV and WoW

[JMadFour]

also, every time I see someone suggest that "a Subscription = a better community", I /facepalm.

there is toxicity everywhere in MMOs, and 15 dollars a month does not and will not ever prevent it.

[MistyMew]

Dont mind that ffxiv is sub only, but it wouldn't bother me one bit if it ever went b2p or ftp.

I don't judge a game by its payment model, ever. That is truly way way down on my life priority list O.o

If a game is fun for me or even just has certain parts that are and if its decently run by the developers then I play it, any model at all.

[Kyuuen]

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https://community.eveonline.com/news...to-eve-online/
https://www.engadget.com/2016/08/31/...-free-to-play/
http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/31/12...e-free-to-play

F2P is F2P. Doesn't matter if you only have access to limited systems and features or not. If you get to play the game; at no cost, then it is F2P. There's three links for you, believe them or not.

[Jandor]

Now that's news. What for? a zerg-type kamikazi fleet?
But yeah, granted, I forgot about the market manipulators skewing the Jita boards, however... construction, rly? I'm a somewhat "mid-tier" player, and I thought that the heavy industrialists were all in POSses, since you basically can't offer competitive prices with all those taxes...

Do you still play? If not depending on how long you've been away you might be interested in knowing that POSes are getting phased out slowly now in favour of Citadels and other less fiddly buildings. Putting up POSes in HS isn't particularly difficult though, hasn't been for a very long time. I had a few in HS along with a few customs offices back when I played.

As for low SP players and cheap ships, try looking up Pandemic Horde, Brave Newbies, or Karmafleet. TEST Alliance also has a newbie division but I can't remember its name. Pandemic Horde at least was a pretty big player in the recent war that forced Goonswarm out of the north.
You're mostly right, the desire for newbies is at its most simple about having a bigger zerg. The sovereignty system also changed fairly recently as well though. When you try to take a systems flag it spews control nodes throughout the whole constellation for you to contest. The whole system is a bit overly complicated but essentially the idea is to spread fights throughout an area rather than have one massive stand up brawl.
Cheap fast ships to chase away people trying to hack the nodes in the system where the main fight isn't are rather useful.

E: I also forgot to mention, it's a new game to new players. They still find it all exciting, pay for a bunch of cheap ships, gift them to 20-30 new players and then ask them to go on a suicide roam through enemy territory. They'll have a great time and be a right pain for all the miners and PvEers there.

[Jandor]

https://community.eveonline.com/news...to-eve-online/
https://www.engadget.com/2016/08/31/...-free-to-play/
http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/31/12...e-free-to-play

F2P is F2P. Doesn't matter if you only have access to limited systems and features or not. If you get to play the game; at no cost, then it is F2P. There's three links for you, believe them or not.

TIL any game with a trial is f2p.

[SessionZero]

Wait is this an EVE thread now?

[OMEGAlomania]

What do you mean EVE is gone?

EVE didn't become F2P, it just offered a "trial" tier, and a very limited one at that.

Exactly this!

EVE is as F2P as Warcraft is. That is, a very limited character with heavy gear and level restrictions in an unlimited time demo.

This game does not suit itself to F2P and it's frustraiting that people are STILL bringing it up to this day. (Hell i'm still annoyed that we have the cash shop items that we do now.. but i've dealt with it since it's mostly NPC copycat attire and event stuff I already had the chance to get "free")

No

Thank

You

[AlexionSkylark]

snip about the current state of EVE

My relationship with EVE is kinda on-and-off. Ever since the launch, I activate a sub, play a couple of months, get bored, unsub, wait a year or so, then rinse and repeat. I must be the oldest player in EVE with low-to-mid SP. Now you told me some very interesting stuff! I might fire up my sub again to check it out. My PvP skills are kinda awful, so I only took a few small dips in low/nullsec. I wanted to manufacture, just got into T2 production but it was really really hard to be competitive and make a profit, due to not owning a POS. Did some studies and some dives in PI thinking it might be possible to have a POS and be self-sustainable fuel-wise in a few months, but that didn't work out well.

Again, After what you said, I'm really keen on unfreezing my sub to check out the current content

[Blood-Aki]

https://community.eveonline.com/news...to-eve-online/
https://www.engadget.com/2016/08/31/...-free-to-play/
http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/31/12...e-free-to-play

F2P is F2P. Doesn't matter if you only have access to limited systems and features or not. If you get to play the game; at no cost, then it is F2P. There's three links for you, believe them or not.

lol the problem is F2P games do the opposite of that, sure you can "log on" for free but if you actually want to GET anywhere, you'll have to shell out some cash, usually 10x more then a sub based game, if you actually intend to stay on top.

The only f2p game i can tolerate is PSO2 and even then you have to pay for a premium that is required for you to even TRADE ITEMS to other players. but compared to others you can get by without spending a single dime on it, you'll just have to work a lot harder then others who can just toss money at sega and get everything quickly.

[Kyuuen]

lol the problem is F2P games do the opposite of that, sure you can "log on" for free but if you actually want to GET anywhere, you'll have to shell out some cash, usually 10x more then a sub based game, if you actually intend to stay on top.

The only f2p game i can tolerate is PSO2 and even then you have to pay for a premium that is required for you to even TRADE ITEMS to other players. but compared to others you can get by without spending a single dime on it, you'll just have to work a lot harder then others who can just toss money at sega and get everything quickly.

Oh by all means, I'm not saying they won't try to nail you to the wall elsewhere monetarily. My issue is that some people seem to think that just because you're locked out of content, you're some how not playing the game. For instance, lets say ARR went free to play; not Heavensward, but just ARR. Am I some how not playing FF XIV because I'm not in Heavensward content?

Because that seems to be what people are trying to say up above.