With Eve gone, only sub based MMOs left are FFXIV and WoW

[Kyuuen]

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https://community.eveonline.com/news...to-eve-online/
https://www.engadget.com/2016/08/31/...-free-to-play/
http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/31/12...e-free-to-play

F2P is F2P. Doesn't matter if you only have access to limited systems and features or not. If you get to play the game; at no cost, then it is F2P. There's three links for you, believe them or not.

[Jandor]

https://community.eveonline.com/news...to-eve-online/
https://www.engadget.com/2016/08/31/...-free-to-play/
http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/31/12...e-free-to-play

F2P is F2P. Doesn't matter if you only have access to limited systems and features or not. If you get to play the game; at no cost, then it is F2P. There's three links for you, believe them or not.

TIL any game with a trial is f2p.

[Blood-Aki]

https://community.eveonline.com/news...to-eve-online/
https://www.engadget.com/2016/08/31/...-free-to-play/
http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/31/12...e-free-to-play

F2P is F2P. Doesn't matter if you only have access to limited systems and features or not. If you get to play the game; at no cost, then it is F2P. There's three links for you, believe them or not.

lol the problem is F2P games do the opposite of that, sure you can "log on" for free but if you actually want to GET anywhere, you'll have to shell out some cash, usually 10x more then a sub based game, if you actually intend to stay on top.

The only f2p game i can tolerate is PSO2 and even then you have to pay for a premium that is required for you to even TRADE ITEMS to other players. but compared to others you can get by without spending a single dime on it, you'll just have to work a lot harder then others who can just toss money at sega and get everything quickly.

[Kyuuen]

lol the problem is F2P games do the opposite of that, sure you can "log on" for free but if you actually want to GET anywhere, you'll have to shell out some cash, usually 10x more then a sub based game, if you actually intend to stay on top.

The only f2p game i can tolerate is PSO2 and even then you have to pay for a premium that is required for you to even TRADE ITEMS to other players. but compared to others you can get by without spending a single dime on it, you'll just have to work a lot harder then others who can just toss money at sega and get everything quickly.

Oh by all means, I'm not saying they won't try to nail you to the wall elsewhere monetarily. My issue is that some people seem to think that just because you're locked out of content, you're some how not playing the game. For instance, lets say ARR went free to play; not Heavensward, but just ARR. Am I some how not playing FF XIV because I'm not in Heavensward content?

Because that seems to be what people are trying to say up above.

[alimdia]

Oh by all means, I'm not saying they won't try to nail you to the wall elsewhere monetarily. My issue is that some people seem to think that just because you're locked out of content, you're some how not playing the game. For instance, lets say ARR went free to play; not Heavensward, but just ARR. Am I some how not playing FF XIV because I'm not in Heavensward content?

Because that seems to be what people are trying to say up above.

Your argument can be used to call FFXIV F2P, remember we have a free trial that goes up to level 35.

[Kyuuen]

Your argument can be used to call FFXIV F2P, remember we have a free trial that goes up to level 35.

And did you at all bother to read the links I provided? I'm assuming not. Because if you did.. you would have read that CCP (the company that creates EVE Online) is planning for it to go F2P in November. Next month.

One of the links.. is actually EVE Online's community site.

Unless I'm spouting old news that has since changed.. I have no issue with admitting I'm wrong, but I'm not doing so with people that aren't going to acknowledge the info I've provided.

[JMadFour]

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what I mean by locked out is this:

I buy ARR for 60 bucks.

I can't play ARR unless I pay an additional 15 bucks every month. despite the fact that I purchased the game, for full price.

Bottom line, imo - if I buy your game, the act of me paying you money to buy your game, should give me access to the game, with no other strings attached.

If you want me to pay you MORE money, then you should to give me something worth purchasing.

It should be "Thanks for spending 60 bucks on our game! If you pay us an additional 15 bucks a month, you'll get these additional benefits."

not "if you don't pay us 15 bucks a month, then we'll take away your access to the game and the 60 dollars you spent for it is now wasted."

I kinda don't understand how that doesn't make sense. and I will always beat that drum. I only like subscriptions if it is a CHOICE, and not a RANSOM.

[Catriana]

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Unless I'm mistaken, the box says additional subscription required. It's not like you don't know what you're getting into when you buy the game. So if you spend 60 bucks on a game, knowing it requires further subscription, and then get upset that you have to pay a subscription, that's kinda on you.

[JMadFour]

Unless I'm mistaken, the box says additional subscription required. It's not like you don't know what you're getting into when you buy the game.

of course.

that doesn't mean I am obligated to like it, cheerlead it, or defend it.

personally I am happy that this business model is fading. It's an outdated business model from a time where there was little choice in the Genre.

My hope is that B2P, not F2P, replaces it.

$60 box cost(there is your barrier to entry) + Optional Subscription(with associated goodies) is pretty much perfect. in my opinion.

[Catriana]

of course.

that doesn't mean I am obligated to like it or cheerlead for it.

Then...don't...buy it? You're not obligated to like it sure, nor are you obligated to buy it. That's your choice as a consumer. But to buy it and then grumble about it tends to remove any degree of sympathy. No one forced your hand.

EDIT: To list an example - I don't care much for Overwatch's prices, so I didn't buy the game. But I don't go grousing about it even though I'd like to play. Blizzard made their decision, I made mine. That's just all there is to it. *shrug*