With Eve gone, only sub based MMOs left are FFXIV and WoW

[Kyuuen]

lol the problem is F2P games do the opposite of that, sure you can "log on" for free but if you actually want to GET anywhere, you'll have to shell out some cash, usually 10x more then a sub based game, if you actually intend to stay on top.

The only f2p game i can tolerate is PSO2 and even then you have to pay for a premium that is required for you to even TRADE ITEMS to other players. but compared to others you can get by without spending a single dime on it, you'll just have to work a lot harder then others who can just toss money at sega and get everything quickly.

Oh by all means, I'm not saying they won't try to nail you to the wall elsewhere monetarily. My issue is that some people seem to think that just because you're locked out of content, you're some how not playing the game. For instance, lets say ARR went free to play; not Heavensward, but just ARR. Am I some how not playing FF XIV because I'm not in Heavensward content?

Because that seems to be what people are trying to say up above.

[alimdia]

Oh by all means, I'm not saying they won't try to nail you to the wall elsewhere monetarily. My issue is that some people seem to think that just because you're locked out of content, you're some how not playing the game. For instance, lets say ARR went free to play; not Heavensward, but just ARR. Am I some how not playing FF XIV because I'm not in Heavensward content?

Because that seems to be what people are trying to say up above.

Your argument can be used to call FFXIV F2P, remember we have a free trial that goes up to level 35.

[Kyuuen]

Your argument can be used to call FFXIV F2P, remember we have a free trial that goes up to level 35.

And did you at all bother to read the links I provided? I'm assuming not. Because if you did.. you would have read that CCP (the company that creates EVE Online) is planning for it to go F2P in November. Next month.

One of the links.. is actually EVE Online's community site.

Unless I'm spouting old news that has since changed.. I have no issue with admitting I'm wrong, but I'm not doing so with people that aren't going to acknowledge the info I've provided.

[JMadFour]

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what I mean by locked out is this:

I buy ARR for 60 bucks.

I can't play ARR unless I pay an additional 15 bucks every month. despite the fact that I purchased the game, for full price.

Bottom line, imo - if I buy your game, the act of me paying you money to buy your game, should give me access to the game, with no other strings attached.

If you want me to pay you MORE money, then you should to give me something worth purchasing.

It should be "Thanks for spending 60 bucks on our game! If you pay us an additional 15 bucks a month, you'll get these additional benefits."

not "if you don't pay us 15 bucks a month, then we'll take away your access to the game and the 60 dollars you spent for it is now wasted."

I kinda don't understand how that doesn't make sense. and I will always beat that drum. I only like subscriptions if it is a CHOICE, and not a RANSOM.

[Catriana]

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Unless I'm mistaken, the box says additional subscription required. It's not like you don't know what you're getting into when you buy the game. So if you spend 60 bucks on a game, knowing it requires further subscription, and then get upset that you have to pay a subscription, that's kinda on you.

[JMadFour]

Unless I'm mistaken, the box says additional subscription required. It's not like you don't know what you're getting into when you buy the game.

of course.

that doesn't mean I am obligated to like it, cheerlead it, or defend it.

personally I am happy that this business model is fading. It's an outdated business model from a time where there was little choice in the Genre.

My hope is that B2P, not F2P, replaces it.

$60 box cost(there is your barrier to entry) + Optional Subscription(with associated goodies) is pretty much perfect. in my opinion.

[Catriana]

of course.

that doesn't mean I am obligated to like it or cheerlead for it.

Then...don't...buy it? You're not obligated to like it sure, nor are you obligated to buy it. That's your choice as a consumer. But to buy it and then grumble about it tends to remove any degree of sympathy. No one forced your hand.

EDIT: To list an example - I don't care much for Overwatch's prices, so I didn't buy the game. But I don't go grousing about it even though I'd like to play. Blizzard made their decision, I made mine. That's just all there is to it. *shrug*

[JMadFour]

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Well, what can I say. I love MMOs and this is the arguably the best one out there right now. so I pay the ransom.

I'm not asking for sympathy. there is nothing to be sympathetic about. SE is gonna do what SE wants to do. and at the end of the day, it is just 15 bucks and it's not like i can't afford it.

However, this doesn't mean I'm just gonna shut up and not express my preferences whenever the subject of MMO payment models comes up in discussion. and mine are B2P with Optional Subscription. Also, I'm not in here creating threads about it demanding that they change or don't change the payment model either. just responding to comments.

[Zhamkyong]

Well, what can I say. I love MMOs and this is the arguably the best one out there right now. so I pay the ransom.

I'm not asking for sympathy. there is nothing to be sympathetic about. SE is gonna do what SE wants to do. and at the end of the day, it is just 15 bucks and it's not like i can't afford it.

However, this doesn't mean I'm just gonna shut up and not express my preferences whenever the subject of MMO payment models comes up in discussion. and mine are B2P with Optional Subscription. Also, I'm not in here creating threads about it demanding that they change or don't change the payment model either. just responding to comments.

Do you want a F2P game with loads of things that we actually have in the Mogstore? Because that's how you are going to get them.

I can understand your liking for a B2P or F2P model of gaming "buy our game and play it when you want without paying anything more!" it's a very tempting message. You said it yourself, for you this is the arguably the best one out. It's not perfect, mind you, but if it is what it is for you it's because of the Sub model it has right now. From a personal experience: My MMO days started from FFXI, there i had to move to other f2p because at the time i didnt had 2 things: Money and spare time for the game. So i played what i could and i moved to one from another. There were good experiences, some were bad. At the end of the day the majority of f2p or b2p games with no sub ended being the same molk cash cow... until i came to FFXIV in 2.0.

From that personal experience i hope they dont change theyr mind and keep it with a sub fee. It keeps the game fueled for future expansions with the money we give to them, and the Mongstore only has things like mounts, glamour and a couple of things you can live without purchasing it. Also it keeps at bay a very toxic playerbase who you can find in the other games.

A MMORPG with a monthly sub it's away cheaper than the alternative, trust me.

Again, you have your opinion and i respect it, just give it a thougt.

[Kyuuen]

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And that is exactly what EVE is soon to be next month. Granted as a free player you won't have access to certain features/skills/ships/etc etc. But you will have the option of being a sub or not and still be able to play.