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    I think it is a mistake since it opposes both the naming conventions given on this forum and what we see ingame. For example the sisters in the delivery moogle quest both have the same surname of Lihzeh but different individual names while explicitly having the same mother. Also the forum conventions fit what we see in general about Keeper names: certain surnames are common (Aliapoh, Epocan) while I don't recall any NPC having the same surname.
    This happens all the time with lorebooks. Usually they correct them with a post or something similar detailing all the mistakes and what is actually true. Let's hope this is the case here.
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    Hhmm the Keeper naming conventions in the book are different than in the forum post. I wonder if this is one of the mistakes that Koji was talking about that they did not catch in the English version before it went to print?
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    Finnaly someone posted this

    http://pettankoprincess.tumblr.com/p.../lalafell-lore

    Now to wait on the Eso weapons
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    Seems like a fairly small, simple mistake in regards to Keeper names. Might have been a result of them rushing to translate into Japanese for that release too, given that Japanese names are natively written Last Name - First Name?
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    Would it be alright if I made a separate thread for discussion of the origins of the Spoken races, their clans and their evolution?

    Also I'd advise keeping an eye of a tumblr blogger named petankkoprincess, they seem to have other scans on the book including Meracidya, The Warriors of Darkness, The High Houses, and Roegadyns as wellas the Heaven's Ward and Lalafell scans previously linked
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    So yes, a "Dark" flavored void is what we see in the World of Darkness - darkness, a twisted melding and remelding of all aether time and again into a singularity, inhabited by undying, twisted beings that are outside the cycle of life and death.

    A "Light" flavored void is an absence of any and all aether as well, but there is nothing left in its wake. No aether, no life, no undying beings, nothing.

    I sure hope somebody picks up that phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    So yes, a "Dark" flavored void is what we see in the World of Darkness - darkness, a twisted melding and remelding of all aether time and again into a singularity, inhabited by undying, twisted beings that are outside the cycle of life and death.

    A "Light" flavored void is an absence of any and all aether as well, but there is nothing left in its wake. No aether, no life, no undying beings, nothing.

    I sure hope somebody picks up that phone.
    Well, I mean, light is perfection - clean and sterile. Darkness is inperfection - chaotic and messy. So, of course, that's how it would be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasuhiro View Post
    Yes, the localization team messed up.
    It's not so much that they messed up as the Japanese version was deliberately ambiguous. My knowledge of Japanese is nowhere near extensive, but I do know it does not have strict gendered pronouns. There are Japanese pronouns that it's unusual for members of a certain sex to use, but there isn't a strict dichotomy like in English (ironically enough, English is one of the most gender-neutral languages in the world, but I digress). Nael was mistranslated as a male because that was how "he" was written in Japanese... only for there to be a surprise when she is unmasked. Since the English version had to use strict "he" back in 1.x, they had to come up with a reason for why Nael is female in the Binding Coil.

    ... which really doesn't account for why the lyrics to "Rise of the White Raven" mention Nael being male, or why they didn't just do something like with the lore book and explain that she impersonated her dead brother and took his place as legatus. It's a case of the right hand not talking to the left, and I'm pretty sure they've gotten a lot better about it (I read somewhere they write the scripts almost simultaneously now to avoid those kinds of issues), but I digress.

    Quote Originally Posted by Writer View Post
    Well, I mean, light is perfection - clean and sterile. Darkness is inperfection - chaotic and messy. So, of course, that's how it would be.
    Tell that to the people who kept asking "What would a voidsent from a Light-drowned world be like?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
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    While i can offer specifics, i can say that pronouns in Japanese are rarely used and when they are they show more of the characters personality more than their sex. My guess would be she used the term Ore for herself, which while traditionally male denotes a sense of power, aligning with Nael/Eula personality.
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    I like helping people with their Job ideas, it's fun to help them visuallize and create the job they'd like to play most. Plus I make my own too, I'll post them eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    While i can offer specifics, i can say that pronouns in Japanese are rarely used and when they are they show more of the characters personality more than their sex. My guess would be she used the term Ore for herself, which while traditionally male denotes a sense of power, aligning with Nael/Eula personality.
    And she mostly likely wanted everyone to think she is a he cause Nael was a guy and her taking up the armor was a secret.
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