Why is Yoshi P turning his back on the playerbase that loves this game the most?

[FizzleofHyperion]

Reynhart: I'm not. I'm speaking for the people I am intouch with from reddit facebook FFXIV groups and other sources who feel that they have just given up on sharing their opinions because its not going to happen. This topic is not for the people who think everything is so perfect with this game thats why I don't understand why people like Velhart are even here trying to justify things.
I don't have solutions I'm not a game developer and neither is Velhart. There is a reason for voicing an opinion here. There is a chunk of the community that feel let down. The legacy population that is now a minority used be a majority never forget that. That is why the situation is like it is. They got overshadowed by the community, me and others are refering to in this thread on top of that FFXIV exist on the behalf of the 1.0 subscriptions and the FFXI subscribers who followed Yoshi P's plea from almost 4 years ago wich we wont have evidence for anymore becaues the 1.0 forums are removed.

About rewards for so called legacy players doesnt do alot because it has nothing to do with the actual gameplay just some useless items that have been pretty much handed out to other players in different forms example the gobbue mount without the carpet LOL.
We can go on about that later on.

The way the game is going now it will just kill itself you know this I know this aswell Reynhart maybe not for Velhart cause its flawless but for the rest of us we see the problems.

[Musashidon]

The way the game is going now it will just kill itself you know this I know this aswell Reynhart maybe not for Velhart cause its flawless but for the rest of us we see the problems.

can i have your time machine? i would like to see what ff16 is going to be like and find out the next winning lotto numbers.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Reynhart: They got overshadowed by the community, me and others are refering to in this thread on top of that FFXIV exist on the behalf of the 1.0 subscriptions and the FFXI subscribers who followed Yoshi P's plea from almost 4 years ago wich we wont have evidence for anymore becaues the 1.0 forums are removed.

About rewards for so called legacy players doesnt do alot because it has nothing to do with the actual gameplay just some useless items that have been pretty much handed out to other players in different forms example the gobbue mount without the carpet LOL.
We can go on about that later on.

The way the game is going now it will just kill itself you know this I know this aswell Reynhart maybe not for Velhart cause its flawless but for the rest of us we see the problems.

1.0 forums are archived http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/f...English-Forums

And you don't speak on behalf of all 1.0 or legacy players. I for one, am happy with the game post 2.0

And you claim to have been as player during 1.0, but if you were active, you would use that forum account with its 1.x join date vs one from 2015. You sure do like hiding behind that alt account for some reason.

[Velhart]

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It seems we have a major reading comprehension problem here. I have never said that I speak on behalf of everyone. Only thing I have said is that he does not represent how the entire community feels and the so called "veteran players" have no form of entitlement to how the game is currently made now any more than other players in this game.

I also love how I have constantly said I have issues with the game and a very negative person but I agree with the core foundation of the game. Yet what he reads is "lol teh gaem iz purfect and all ff11 playurz r stoopid lolol" He does this every time because he only sees things as black and white. Either the game is perfect or it sucks and needs to be completely changed. Why can't I enjoy how the game works yet be critical of how some content works within it's foundation? No? I have to pick a side? Okay.

Also a fun fact in case you forgot the last 20 times I told you. I am a FFXI veteran(2003-2010) and FFXIV 1.0 veteran(alpha to shutdown). As a veteran and legacy player, myself personally, I do not feel entitled to anything more than the average non-legacy player. If anything, I am more appreciative that SE gave me a permanent discount on my subscription and some nice Legacy perks. But wait, I thought all legacy players want to go back to 1.23? I must be a black sheep here.

[Reynhart]

Reynhart: I'm not. I'm speaking for the people I am intouch with from reddit facebook FFXIV groups and other sources who feel that they have just given up on sharing their opinions because its not going to happen.

A totally irrelevant sample compared to the whole population.

About rewards for so called legacy players doesnt do alot because it has nothing to do with the actual gameplay just some useless items that have been pretty much handed out to other players in different forms example the gobbue mount without the carpet LOL.

You contributed with money, you're rewarded with discounts.

The way the game is going now it will just kill itself you know this I know this aswell Reynhart maybe not for Velhart cause its flawless but for the rest of us we see the problems.

You can't claim that. If the game fails by following this route, we'll be right. If it succeeds, then we were wrong.
Besides, saying that the game is "flawless" is as much an overstatement than saying it's "broken". As we are now, though, the game is indeed "succesful"

WoW has been doing vertical progression for over 10 years. What makes you confident in saying that FFXIV cannot?

I think "vertical progression" is not the only reason why WoW has been succesful for such a long time. Do they have the same 6-month gear lifespan ? That same gap between facerolling dungeons and brutal savage raids ? The same lack of varied stats and bonuses on gear ?

[Velhart]

I think "vertical progression" is not the only reason why WoW has been succesful for such a long time. Do they have the same 6-month gear lifespan ? That same gap between facerolling dungeons and brutal savage raids ? The same lack of varied stats and bonuses on gear ?

Yes it is not the only reason WoW is successful. Despite some high ends and low ends, WoW does usually give quality content which is what truly matters at the end of the day, rather you go vertical or horizontal. People are attracted to quality of content. WoW has major updates every 6-7 months(usually), and the gear ilvl does rise. Actually what FFXIV does differently is offer those semi-horizontal patches between each ilvl increase as a catch up patch. How WoW and FFXIV approach gear scale is similar, but not completely the same.

[Reynhart]

WoW has major updates every 6-7 months(usually), and the gear ilvl does rise.

Are those items always earned the same way ? Because one issue, for me, is the over-usage of tomestones.
Basically, since HW, you could have earned a decent full set of lvl 60 items by only doing level 50 content over and over again...

[Remedi]

Are those items always earned the same way ? Because one issue, for me, is the over-usage of tomestones.
Basically, since HW, you could have earned a decent full set of lvl 60 items by only doing level 50 content over and over again...

it was during TBC, WOTLK, CATA and partly in MOP, where they started to change it every single expansion, now in legion what you can can actually scale in power,items you find in dungeon can end up beign even more powerful than raid gear if RNG clicks with you. Can be a good think, can be a bad thing, some ppl are actually pissed because some items for world bosses are essentially BIS for the entire expansion, provided that said boss spawn, said items drops and said items rolls higher ilvl.( aka you need to farm that boss everytime the ilvl jumps higher)

[Velhart]

Are those items always earned the same way ? Because one issue, for me, is the over-usage of tomestones.
Basically, since HW, you could have earned a decent full set of lvl 60 items by only doing level 50 content over and over again...

I base this off older WoW, but then it had normal dungeon and heroic versions of those dungeons, 10-man and 24-man raids and heroic versions of them. Have the vault raid and some trial fights that all drop gear to help. All had a nice level of challenge that was very approachable by casual and midcore, and heroics for the hardcore players. I am not entirely sure how it is structured now, but when WoW gave a major update, it was a major update. The downside however is fatigue can come in fast a few months in if you are someone who plays a lot of hours a day. FFXIV with a similar issue at least has odd number patches in between. It is the one downside to vertical in general if you are someone who puts a lot of hours into the game a day.

I think WoW benefits from a bigger team also. If FFXIV's team was bigger I believe they could get a little more oomph out of each patch.