Vote Abandoning

[Watachy]

IMO the vote abandon needs to have more restrictions placed on it, such as a specific number of attempts before you can just give up.

Don't.
Playing with slackers that doesn't respond, and don't wanna play decently is just a pain. Vote abandon is the best escape here. Or being a toxic a****** to get votekicked but can't deal with people that don't wanna play decently and don't respect the 7/23 others people in the group.

Like wiping on Mhach without bonus is a real pain for a content known for weeks/months now. People are just getting lazy and wants a carry the only escapes are:
- playing only with FC/friends
- vote abandon if too many people don't wanna invest themselves a little bit in the run

[Evangela]

At least it should be adjusted in 24 man raids. They're very long duties that required over an hour to complete. Screwing everybody and forcing them to leave is unacceptable. And when they don't have a full party they can always leave without any penalty, how about just get the hell out?

[Fynlar]

The only real change that vote abandon needs now is for the instance to not terminate itself when a vote passes. It's really irritating that other people who want to continue have to get forced out by people that don't.

They've already implemented some measure that prevents someone from just calling another vote abandon right after one is rejected (I'm not sure what the "cooldown" on it is now, but I've just noticed that there is one) so it would seem they've addressed the other persisting problem that there was with it.

[LunaFaye]

Like wiping on Mhach without bonus is a real pain for a content known for weeks/months now. People are just getting lazy and wants a carry the only escapes are:
- playing only with FC/friends
- vote abandon if too many people don't wanna invest themselves a little bit in the run

or you could just leave on your own. If you feel like that you can not be bothered, reasons don't matter, leave the instance and take the 30 minutes penalty. I don't wanna hear the excuses "but we keep dying/wipeing and it's a waste of my time" bs. It is a waste of my time, having to click a window that pops right into my face, and reading 3 year olds crying in chat about why it's a good idea to abandon. In that time we could have already replaced you if you left, and probably gone through 2 full pulls. So going by your logic, thanks for wasting my time I guess?!

[Emstidor]

The only real change that vote abandon needs now is for the instance to not terminate itself when a vote passes. It's really irritating that other people who want to continue have to get forced out by people that don't.

Sorry, but I can't agree with this. I already get annoyed when I waste a 20 minute in-progress queue into some 1/4 member dungeon where the last person is AFK. The last thing I want is to land in some schmuck's 5/24 Weeping City with ten minutes left because his plucky little heart believes that maybe on the SIXTH attempt, his team can finally take down Ozma!

[HyoMinPark]

Sorry, but I can't agree with this. I already get annoyed when I waste a 20 minute in-progress queue into some 1/4 member dungeon where the last person is AFK. The last thing I want is to land in some schmuck's 5/24 Weeping City with ten minutes left because his plucky little heart believes that maybe on the SIXTH attempt, his team can finally take down Ozma!

Not trying to be rude, but if you don't want to queue into in-progress dungeons/raids like that, then don't queue "In Progress."

[Emstidor]

The point of in-progress is so that your whole run doesn't go to waste just because a single person has connection issues or decides they have something better to do. Both the light and full party examples I noted above are bad byproducts of an imperfect system, not the intended result. Unless you think I'm supposed to finish the dungeon all by myself?

Besides, let's say me and people who share my viewpoint take your advice and stop queuing in-progress because we don't want to risk being put in those "unfinishable" runs. Congrats, now there's even LESS people queueing in-progress, and the runs that suffer ARE the ones that actually stood a chance of filling before.

[MahoSenshi]

Not trying to be rude, but if you don't want to queue into in-progress dungeons/raids like that, then don't queue "In Progress."

And then all the raids with one missing tank will be held down forever because this.
No FC friends help, no randoms - they all will sucked into that black hole.

Think.

[HyoMinPark]

And then all the raids with one missing tank will be held down forever because this.
No FC friends help, no randoms - they all will sucked into that black hole.

Think.

The point I was making wasn't that at all. If people want to queue in-progress, by all means do so (I always queue in progress when I'm solo). Just know that not all queues that pop in progress are going to be sunshine and rainbows. You need to be prepared to accept that some will be terrible where people have wiped on Ozma 4-5 times or someone may have gone AFK for a second for whatever reason.

[Emstidor]

Which is fine, but the entire derail started because I said I opposed a system that was gonna create even more of those "terrible" ones, thus making in-progress have even worse odds Of putting you in a bad run.