How does PL'ing affect you?

[Preypacer]

let them PL. i see no point in buying a game if there not going to play it. and when they get to r50 watch them all flood the forums with "there is no endgame" threads. there all in a rush to get to the end but the game is not finished

Yep, heheh. That's another funny aspect of this whole thing. They're in a hurry to reach an end-game that isn't exactly well represented yet.

/sarcasm on

Racing to end-game so you can hurry up and wait... and wait.. and wait.

Sure sounds like fun to me!

/sarcasm off

[Vahzl]

Yep, heheh. That's another funny aspect of this whole thing. They're in a hurry to reach an end-game that isn't exactly well represented yet.

/sarcasm on

Racing to end-game so you can hurry up and wait... and wait.. and wait.

Sure sounds like fun to me!

/sarcasm off

Actually, and you are well aware of this, it's more like get a high level while the goings good, then return once the game is.

[grandm]

Actually, and you are well aware of this, it's more like get a high level while the goings good, then return once the game is.

its still broken logic. you want to get your player to be ready for endgame. then put the game away till it is finnished and come back when it is. at this point you will be paying for a subscription. so at this point while the game is F2P, and you can get to learn to play your player you can be making friends and linkshells. you can test and retest all the little changes as each patch comes out. get to learn the story and the lore.

but rather than get to know game that you will one day be paying for. you would rather stick it in a draw, wait till its finished to P2P. miss out 75percent of the game and pay to run around in a few dungeons. at which point you could be playing any MMO and you will have missed out anything that makes this game final fantasy.

[Vahzl]

its still broken logic. you want to get your player to be ready for endgame. then put the game away till it is finnished and come back when it is. at this point you will be paying for a subscription. so at this point while the game is F2P, and you can get to learn to play your player you can be making friends and linkshells. you can test and retest all the little changes as each patch comes out. get to learn the story and the lore.

but rather than get to know game that you will one day be paying for. you would rather stick it in a draw, wait till its finished to P2P. miss out 75percent of the game and pay to run around in a few dungeons. at which point you could be playing any MMO and you will have missed out anything that makes this game final fantasy.

It isn't flawed logic.

- The game is currently free to play, and levelling can be done in a microcosm of the normal time
- The game when monthly fee'd will mean I am paying to do what I could have done for free, and having a much more boring time of it

In other words, why pay for something you don't want to do, when you can do what you do want to do for free?

I am in no odds about what I enjoy in these games, crafting, endgame and community. Levelling is a horrible hump in my way to the stuff I want to do. I do it because I like to see full bars, not because I enjoy the levelling aspect, but everything else in an MMo is where my enjoyment lies.

Why would I wait for the game to be pay to play, just to do something I dislike, when I can do it super fast, and for free?

Just to give you perspective, of my 6 years played in FFXI, less than a year of that time was levelling up all pre-ToAU classes to 75. The other 5 years were taken up doing everything else, like meriting (this is an optional progression), storylines for all cities, CoP missions, RotZ missions, ToAU missions, WotG missions, Salvage, Assault, Dynamis, Beseiged, the large scale battles in the past who's names elude me, earning my Relic weapons, working on my trials, and literally thousands of hours of NM camping, HNM pop item farming, and HNM kills.

If you can honestly say that levelling makes up 75% of that content, then you need to revisit school, as you clearly don't understand %'s.

Also, what do I get to know about a game by killing the same things over and over again, that I can't do myself in my own good time?

[grandm]

It isn't flawed logic.

- The game is currently free to play, and levelling can be done in a microcosm of the normal time
- The game when monthly fee'd will mean I am paying to do what I could have done for free, and having a much more boring time of it

In other words, why pay for something you don't want to do, when you can do what you do want to do for free?

I am in no odds about what I enjoy in these games, crafting, endgame and community. Levelling is a horrible hump in my way to the stuff I want to do. I do it because I like to see full bars, not because I enjoy the levelling aspect, but everything else in an MMo is where my enjoyment lies.

Why would I wait for the game to be pay to play, just to do something I dislike, when I can do it super fast, and for free?

Just to give you perspective, of my 6 years played in FFXI, less than a year of that time was levelling. The other 5 years were taken up doing everything else, like meriting (this is an optional progression), storylines for all cities, CoP missions, RotZ missions, ToAU missions, WotG missions, Salvage, Assault, Dynamis, Beseiged, the large scale battles in the past who's names elude me, and literally thousands of hours of NM camping, HNM pop item farming, and HNM kills.

If you can honestly say that levelling makes up 75% of that content, then you need to revisit school, as you clearly don't understand %'s.

i just bought F1 on my PS3. i wonder if there is a way i can lift the trophy without driving a race, coz i love winning but i hate driving.

i really need to get some of them sarcasm brackets

[Vahzl]

i just bought F1 on my PS3. i wonder if there is a way i can lift the trophy without driving a race, coz i love winning but i hate driving.

i really need to get some of them sarcasm brackets

Comparing a single player driving game, to a massively multiplayer online RPG with a 24/7 living breathing world, filled with thousands of other players in real time.

I can do this too.

I have a cheese sandwich, but I don't want to eat it because I like playing Water Polo. Therefore I will kill this mosquito on my desk with my hand, and then talk about oranges.

See, makes as much sense as your comparison.

[Preypacer]

It isn't flawed logic.

- The game is currently free to play, and levelling can be done in a microcosm of the normal time
- The game when monthly fee'd will mean I am paying to do what I could have done for free, and having a much more boring time of it

In other words, why pay for something you don't want to do, when you can do what you do want to do for free?

Why play the game at all if 80-90% of it bores you that much?

The 10-20% of the game that is "end game" is gonna save it for you, at the rate it's being implemented?

Really?

[Preypacer]

Actually, and you are well aware of this, it's more like get a high level while the goings good, then return once the game is.

Err... I'm "well aware of this"? Of what? Are you trying to put words in my mouth, or tell me what I think?

The game is good enough to me right now... or I wouldn't be playing it. It wasn't good enough to me prior to 1.18. After 1.18, it was only somewhat better to me. Now, after 1.19, I'm finding it to be quite good enough... again, to me, to play and am enjoying myself.

My expectation is that, as long as Yoshi doesn't lose his mind and completely botch it again, it's only going to continue to get better... again, for me.

The "real game" starts for me at character creation and lasts until I decide to stop playing. It doesn't even "end" at level cap for me, because there is always more to do on lower level classes... such as content I missed on the way up on previous classes.

I really don't care how great others feel the end-game is. If the game isn't entertaining me for its entirety, from day 1, likelihood is I'm not gonna be playing it for long.

For those who insist that how others play doesn't affect them... for now perhaps it don't. Given time, if left unchecked, it most certainly would. Again, you can't be short-sighted aboutit. You can't only look at how it affects you "right now", because every change made to a MMORPG has long-term effects. It changes, however subtly, the way people play it... and that affects how others experience the game down the road.

Fortunately, it seems we may not have to worry this potential train-wreck for long, since Yoshi is already aware it's a problem and is addressing it.

As for those who insist on PL'ing themselves anyway 'cause they think they're preparing for future end-game content.. Hey more power to ya. I hope you find something to keep yourselves entertained 'til then. Based on the rate at which they're introducing end-game content, and how quickly people are getting through it... it's gonna be a bumpy ride for a lot of you. Again, "hurry up and wait".

As for me, I'll be enjoying the journey. The end game will be there when I get there... whether it's 6 months, a year or more from now. I reckon a number of those arguing for PL'ing wont' be around by then anyway. They'll have long-since moved on to repeat the same cycle over again in some other MMO.