Problems with the strength of gear coming from easy mode Alexander

[Clover_Blake]

This is true, which means after you beat the previous raid teirs content... there is no reason to go back in because guess what, you already beat the hardest content on the game so there's no reason to worry about your current gear anymore. The only reason would be for glamour and that really isn't an incentive for a lot of people.

But, considering that new raids (which require a higher ilv) will come in few months, why would people stop caring for their gear in the current patch? Wouldn't they want to obtain the best gear just to be ready for the next challenge?

What's more, glamour or items you simply use for showing off purposes are important for most players in every game I've seen. Exclusive items that prove that you've done this or that content are a must, and this game has them.

[Brian_]

But, considering that new raids (which require a higher ilv) will come in few months, why would people stop caring for their gear in the current patch? Wouldn't they want to obtain the best gear just to be ready for the next challenge?

What's more, glamour or items you simply use for showing off purposes are important for most players in every game I've seen. Exclusive items that prove that you've done this or that content are a must, and this game has them.

Because the gear is useless in the next patch. On day 1, people who care will be i250 without killing a single enemy.

And the glamour doesn't matter when you can go back into the content with i250 gear, faceroll it with echo, and get the same glamour in a fraction of the time.

[Clover_Blake]

Because the gear is useless in the next patch. On day 1, people who care will be i250 without needing to kill a single enemy.

And the glamour doesn't matter when you can go back into the content with i250 gear and faceroll it with echo.

So the problem is, then, that there's "too much content and too often". Basically, what I said earlier; you'd rather get super good gear once and then not have any reason to touch the game in a long time O_O

As for facerolling content, old content becomes "easier" (which doesn't really mean easy for most, as the majority still hasn't beat Savage modes), because there are new challenges released, aka new top gear and new exclusive items that only a few will initially get.

[Tint]

So the problem is, then, that there's "too much content and too often". Basically, what I said earlier; you'd rather get super good gear once and then not have any reason to touch the game in a long time O_O

you have understand nothing.

the best in slot gear is ilvl 240. that's the gear from alex savage turn 5 to 8. raiders could farm these gear, that would get raiders something to do for weeks: farming the BiS gear and preparing for the next raid tier. BUT when they release the next raid tier, they also release craftet ilvl 250 gear. this gear is in any case superior to the old BiS gear. so there is no point in farming the BiS raidgear, because on patchday all raiders get the new ilvl 250 gear and throwing their ilvl 240 gear away.

[LunaFaye]

you have understand nothing.

the best in slot gear is ilvl 240. that's the gear from alex savage turn 5 to 8. raiders could farm these gear, that would get raiders something to do for weeks: farming the BiS gear and preparing for the next raid tier. BUT when they release the next raid tier, they also release craftet ilvl 250 gear. this gear is in any case superior to the old BiS gear. so there is no point in farming the BiS raidgear, because on patchday all raiders get the new ilvl 250 gear and throwing their ilvl 240 gear away.

You don't understand the concept either, but I don't blame you because somehow with patch 2.4 people threw the meaning of actual BiS (BEST in slot) out of the window and adapted of calling everything with an higher ilvl - BiS.
Therefore I can understand why you are complaining about the ilvl 250 gear are being made available to everyone after the servers go back online.

Now actual raiders don't care, because the mix and match of the actual gear sets, still outweigh the stats on the ilvl 250 gear. Sure there will be sets, just like in every other patch, that gives 1 or 2 classes the ability to go unsub since all they have to do is buying the crafted gear and meld it and wait for their team mates to catch up.

However it's not for every class like that and all it does, is giving people that haven't played the "old" raids the opportunity of jumping right into the patch cycle, buy gear, run the new dungeons/raid for better gear. For the "real" raider it doesn't matter if your 7 neighbors got their gear from the market board or farmed that gear, the gear becomes outdated the moment you set foot into the new raid content. If you are one of the people that actually farmed their gear prior, you won't have to bother of even getting the ilvl 250 crafted gear and can focus on other stuff.

You see the difference in raiders that don't stress about the patch and "raiders" that seem to care about an ilvl raise due to crafted gear on patch day?

[Brannigan]

You see the difference in raiders that don't stress about the patch and "raiders" that seem to care about an ilvl raise due to crafted gear on patch day?

I've cleared every raid before catchup patches and have been pretty much constantly raiding since 2.0 release but thanks for telling me what I don't care about.

[KarstenS]

Therefore I can understand why you are complaining about the ilvl 250 gear

Uhm. No. With the exception of a very rare amount of pieces, higher iLvl is better as: main stats outweights sec stats.

Tint did understood the issue correct.

[Balipu]

But, considering that new raids (which require a higher ilv) will come in few months, why would people stop caring for their gear in the current patch? Wouldn't they want to obtain the best gear just to be ready for the next challenge?

What's more, glamour or items you simply use for showing off purposes are important for most players in every game I've seen. Exclusive items that prove that you've done this or that content are a must, and this game has them.

Hardcore raiders are a bit like Mandalorians. When rats eat the food in a Mandalorian settlement, they don't kill the rats cause they are weak vermin that don't provide much sport. Of course they starve to death cause all their food is gone, but at least they are true warriors.
People who can and actually do clear Savage raids, do not want to spend too much time doing dungeons and hard mode trials, because those are too easy. Considering they have the highest item level possible, this is not a surprise.

If I understand correctly, what they don't like is the fact that you can get gear just as good as the top raid gear from tomestones when the next patch comes. And tomestones can be farmed by doing non-raid content.
What they want is for gear from Savage raids to remain the very best gear you can get, for a longer period of time. Guessing that would mean half a year cause every second content patch comes with a new Savage raid. They want something with more practical uses than titles and pets to show for clearing what is at that time, the hardest content in the game.
Of course the way I see it, making raids in general and savage in particular, harder would work just as well. Darnus still isn't a faceroll even with an undersized party cause the meteor phase can still wipe you like five different times if you don't pay attention. Even on normal. Making savage truly savage would make sure the reward stays exclusive, whatever it may be.

[Tint]

If I understand correctly [...]

no, you also don't understand it.

the problem is not that people can get gear with the SAME ilvl as the raid gear, the problem is people (including the raiders themself) can get gear with a BETTER ilvl than the raid gear right on patchday.

this makes farming the raid for gear useless.

[Clover_Blake]

the problem is not that people can get gear with the SAME ilvl as the raid gear, the problem is people (including the raiders themself) can get gear with a BETTER ilvl than the raid gear right on patchday.

this makes farming the raid for gear useless.

Um, I see, so the problem is about this case in particular, of 3.4 crafted gear being too powerful. I thought it was a general complaint of how the current ilv gear doesn't last "much" (not like half a year is little time though).

In any case, is it really that easy for a whole static to obtain full crafted i250 sets the very first day? I still find i240 relevant, for it's the best way to farm for the new i250 sets outside of spending a huge fortune that not everyone possess, as well as doing the new EX primal. Replacing the 240 the first day or in a few weeks won't change the fact that this set must still be replaced in 3.4, nor does it change the fact that the previous Savage items have been exclusive and a "status symbol" for half a year, and so will the new ones even if those, too, will be replaced someday. Just my opinion, though, that maybe things aren't as bad as they seem.