Yoshi-P on Character Growth

[Iromi]

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Yeah, I agree as well. He will try to implement it..and it will probably not work as some imagine. If it was up to me I would like to see a balance like 1.x had. Some horizontal and some vertical. It was a perfect balance and I was able to beat and clear all content with each job. It was when he put in the ilvl that he screwed up any chance they had at putting back to when it was good.

We could choose from a few pieces of gear..and got a lot of stats and options to meld them and in the end there was never "one way" to do something, there was many. My ways of defeating Garuda with every job were just as efficient as those who would try to class stack ^^

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Yeah, I agree as well. He will try to implement it..and it will probably not work as some imagine. If it was up to me I would like to see a balance like 1.x had. Some horizontal and some vertical. It was a perfect balance and I was able to beat and clear all content with each job. It was when he put in the ilvl that he screwed up any chance they had at putting back to when it was good.

We could choose from a few pieces of gear..and got a lot of stats and options to meld them and in the end there was never "one way" to do something, there was many. My ways of defeating Garuda with every job were just as efficient as those who would try to class stack ^^

1.x didn't really have much gear to choose from tbf. You had AF, 1 set of crafted gear, and darklight at endgame. and to get crafted required millions and luck, and darklight required crafted gear, and the right jobs leveled so people would take you.

If you didn't have the crafted gear or darklight, no one would take you into the garuda fight. I never was able to complete it thanks to that, tho I was able to down moogle and Nael normal before the server save went into effect.

1.x was even more exclusive as to who got to do fights than 2.x+ was, and I'd hate to go back to that.

[MomomiMomi]

1.x didn't really have much gear to choose from tbf. You had AF, 1 set of crafted gear, and darklight at endgame. and to get crafted required millions and luck, and darklight required crafted gear, and the right jobs leveled so people would take you.

If you didn't have the crafted gear or darklight, no one would take you into the garuda fight. I never was able to complete it thanks to that, tho I was able to down moogle and Nael normal before the server save went into effect.

1.x was even more exclusive as to who got to do fights than 2.x+ was, and I'd hate to go back to that.

I don't see where this fear of exclusivity comes from. On our current system you either have the gear or you're excluded. You can't get any more exclusive than that.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I don't see where this fear of exclusivity comes from. On our current system you either have the gear or you're excluded. You can't get any more exclusive than that.

Eh, i was more annoyed than anything.

But people seem to have an idea that 1.x was way better than it actually was lol. "it had horizontal progressiona nd i could do fights the way i wanted!"

Except the community locked you into certain gear and if you didnt have blm and mnk leveled and geared you werent doing cutters cry. oh, all you have is the AF gear? which, to get, you needed parties for back then, it wasnt easy.
You aren't doing any of the dungeons or primals, we need you to go make millions of gil so you can spend millions of gil breaking your gear trying to overmeld it. then you might be allowed in, if you have the right jobs leveled, cuz we need you to switch job mid dungeon a few times for the best results.

[Iromi]

I don't see where this fear of exclusivity comes from. On our current system you either have the gear or you're excluded. You can't get any more exclusive than that.

Yeah...it is worse now if anything lol. Lot of raid groups expect you to have some really top tier gear, and people making farm PT for stuff run parsers all the time watching your damage...and you can have all the skill in the world in this game and still have crap DPS if you don't have a relevant ilvl. So many people I see in my various linkshells how they got kicked out of a PT because of their gear..or removed from a dungeon.

So yeah..I'd rather go back to what we had before, some choices but everything worked if the group would be slightly open minded.

Again, I don't know who they played with or what server where people were acting like that..but I easily defeated Garuda with my gimp PLD back in the day and a buncha random people who had AF. One of each job..etc. I cleared every dungeon/ex fight/raid, etc easily. Lmao I did ifrit in a simple cowl..haha.

[StrejdaTom]

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This is a bit OT but I don't agree with you on one thing. OFC there is a high difference between lets say iLvl 220 and 240, but a player who can play his job well can still outDPS average player.
And it actually happens quite often.

I was reacting to this "and you can have all the skill in the world in this game and still have crap DPS if you don't have a relevant ilvl."

But if you meant iLvl 150 etc., then yeah that's how MMOs work. Gear will always be the 2nd most important thing, it will always make good players even better and bad players atleast a bit useful.

[Iromi]

But if you meant iLvl 150 etc., then yeah that's how MMOs work. Gear will always be the 2nd most important thing, it will always make good players even better and bad players atleast a bit useful.

Yea tha tis what I meant...I mean yeah, like 20 levels will have a slight difference..but 100 would be nuts hahaha. Although I personally have seen others kick people for having 20 ilvl difference >.>; I had a tank who was really good but undergeared...poor guy couldn't keep hate off me the entire dungeon ; ; It's that that I don't like. He was doing everything properly but the gear was holding him back :/ I hate the ilvl stuff ; ;

[MomomiMomi]

Gear will always be the 2nd most important thing

First. It's the first most important thing on this game. You don't have the gear, you're either not going to survive the attack or you're not going to meet the DPS check. No amount of skill is going to make up for strict checks.