Patch 3.4 - Soul Surrender

[Nalien]

Well, my point was more that Titan is seemingly not going to temper anyone if he is killing Kobold... He should have no reason to out right kill any Kobold, if he needs them to fall in line he should just be able to temper them and be done with it... I guess the only alternative is that they're Echo blessed Kobold rebels? I find it more likely that he is just rampaging, and thus it's possible the Scions can safely follow us into the Bowl of Embers later to figure out what's happening, or Ifrit goes down before we even get there/the battle with Derplander works as a distraction, sort of like I guess happened with Ravana...

Now that I think of it though... Did Titan even try to temper us? Ifrit and Garuda certainly tried, though Garuda conveniently forgot she had that power when Cid and Alphinaud showed up (maybe it was on cooldown), and when Gaius dropped by... Leviathan also didn't try, although if drowning is a requirement for his method of tempering, perhaps he did... If that is the case, then I guess that kind of excuses him pretty much ignoring the Scions and Maelstrom command that were practically handed to him on a silver plater... Still, Titan never tried anything, did he? I seem to recall the cut 1.0 scenes having some tempered people fighting in it, but well... Cut 1.0 scenes... Nothing since, which definitely happened, seems to indicate he has done much tempering...

Tempering is not a plot device that I'm particularly pleased with, either way... It's just kinda there and it only matters when it wants too... Only Krile and Kidibus can get remotely involved with our Triad fights, but seemingly everyone is safe for a little jaunt inside Alexander... Bahamut tempered Nael from across space, but Alphinaud and Alisaie can stand within sneezing distance and are more worried about Megaflares... It's not particularly well explained or consistent, IMO...

Oh, and regarding the summoning ritual itself tempering the summoner... Questionable contributions to lore aside, I guess old Greg isn't a thrall to Enkidu now, is he?

[WhiteArchmage]

Now that I think of it though... Did Titan even try to temper us? Ifrit and Garuda certainly tried, though Garuda conveniently forgot she had that power when Cid and Alphinaud showed up (maybe it was on cooldown),

It actually WAS on cooldown, I can't remember exactly where I read this but I believe that's how the Company of Heroes defeated either Titan or Leviathan (sorry, Tidus or Leviabeetus), they sent one group that got tempered, another to fight the tempered and the final one to deal with the primal itself. That means that tempering can only be done at certain intervals and the primal needs to recharge (maybe by absorbing more aether...)