Yoshi-P on Character Growth

[Iromi]

Horizontal progression is the illusion of choice people really need to get off the FFXI nostalgia bandwagon.

There is no "illusion" and how do you assume I was referring to FFXI? wat? I never mentioned that in my post lol. I literally got to choose which gear I wanted...how is there an illusion? As opposed to forcing one piece of gear on me, I got to choose from endless pieces (Kinda like how diadem drops were) until I felt like I found a BiS with relevant stats. Stuff like...well, an example in this game would be "Contagion duration +5 sec, Enmity -4, etc"

I was more so referring to other games I have played like Tera, or Aion where you can run dungeons multiple times and get really amazing stats on gear..or get medicore stats, or sorta good..etc.

As for your news flash...no, I know tons of people who burn through stuff..plenty of people in my own FC did that when HW came out and then quit 2 weeks after. While my BF and I were still working on the story..they were off doing Ravana EX within a week. Most people I knew did that who came back to try the expansion. So what are you talking about? It is not like the patches last that long anyway...do the content a few times and get burnt out within a couple weeks, that is how this game is atm. The whole point of my post was to show how people sub for a month and then unsub..and usually don't come back, and those census reflect that.

If you really want to bring up FFXI, ok. I can say the same thing I said on reddit...in other games I have played like XI, L2 and such sure..I got burnt out on those slightly..but the thing is..myself and ALL of my friends (I was Cesil in FFXI, so I pretty much knew everyone lol) would ALWAYS come back. In this game they _NEVER_ come back, at least in my own experience. They got bored..quit, then realized they weren't really enjoying playing copy/paste formula and never came back. Lot of them went back to XI, WoW and console games..

The rewards in this game are too mediocre, and everything is friggin glamour. Why not take advantage of making so many instanced content and make all the gear relevant and let us choose? I don't get the hate for more options. Narrow minded.

[Khemorex]

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Are u sure thats really FFXIV fault though?"that ur friends never come bk"? Maybe they are just burned out from playing MMOS , ive raided pretty long in EQ2 with progress raids , waiting for randomn world bosses to spawn to get a shot for a kill etc etc , then i stoped playing eq2 , then ive tryed all other mmos there was like age of conan , rift , start wars etc etc , and i never got to max lvl on them,simple coz i was jsut bored of the mmo formula to quest and kill randomn shit to lvl up all the time, then i took a long break from mmos :P

until i started to play ffxiv wich is kinda fun for me and a lot of others that dont have much time to play :P

[Zumi]

If you really want to bring up FFXI, ok. I can say the same thing I said on reddit...in other games I have played like XI, L2 and such sure..I got burnt out on those slightly..but the thing is..myself and ALL of my friends (I was Cesil in FFXI, so I pretty much knew everyone lol) would ALWAYS come back. In this game they _NEVER_ come back, at least in my own experience. They got bored..quit, then realized they weren't really enjoying playing copy/paste formula and never came back. Lot of them went back to XI, WoW and console games..

Why is it that you must only play one video game? I have enough time to play FFXIV a few hours a day and play other console games. Yoshi P even said if you get tried of doing the content and a patch has been out for awhile play other games and come back when a new patch is out.

But I think FFXIV is the best MMO I have ever played, and its up there in the best video games ever. I like how there is new raids and dungeons every 3 months. I almost never run out of stuff to do in FFXIV.

[Iromi]

Why is it that you must only play one video game? I have enough time to play FFXIV a few hours a day and play other console games. Yoshi P even said if you get tried of doing the content and a patch has been out for awhile play other games and come back when a new patch is out.

But I think FFXIV is the best MMO I have ever played, and its up there in the best video games ever. I like how there is new raids and dungeons every 3 months. I almost never run out of stuff to do in FFXIV.

Lol one more time..for funsies - where did I say I only play one video game? Huh? What is up with the inability to read on these forums ; ; Is it just me that this happens to? lolol

Please show me where I said "I only play FFXIV" In fact I pointed out in my post my OP was about Tera and Aion LOL oh and Lineage 2! That is 3 other games in itself...with XI that makes 4.

Yo..if you are going to debate with me , please at least follow the conversation..I am not trying to be rude, its just how can you expect me to take this seriously when you cannot even read what I say and put words in my mouth?

This is great for you, if it is "up there in the best video games ever." there was also people who thought getting a mythic in FFXI was the greatest thing and game ever, also people who thought grinding in Lineage II for nobelesse quest was "the best game ever" you are entitled to your opinion but with the way subs are dropping I do not think many agree with that sentiment. ^^; It is an opinion and does not make it true.

So if we can manage to read properly - again, my point is not that the game is dying or its horrible, it is that Yoshida needs to try some things and stop playing it so safe and give us some more in depth stuff. For someone to not want more diversity and so forth I would say is rather close minded and shallow.

It all comes back to the producer suggesting you to unsub and play something else..

[Remedi]

To be fair I believe it was meant to be if you don't like the core structure of the game it might be better for you to change the game, not that if you have a problem with a part of it in general

[Iromi]

To be fair I believe it was meant to be if you don't like the core structure of the game it might be better for you to change the game, not that if you have a problem with a part of it in general

No core of any game should be a repeat of the same thing over and over and over. Having some similar elements is fine...but keeping things exactly the same and stale will never be fun. You can keep the foundation..of course, absolutely. But what is built upon it should be innovative and creative. Not the same thing with a new skin..

[Remedi]

No core of any game should be a repeat of the same thing over and over and over. Having some similar elements is fine...but keeping things exactly the same and stale will never be fun. You can keep the foundation..of course, absolutely. But what is built upon it should be innovative and creative. Not the same thing with a new skin..

What I meant is that if you don't like an RPG you shouldn't keep playing one and whine that it should be an RTS, also I don't think that your statement is necessarily true, some games are still very popular despite beign a carbon copy of themselves and other gets panned because they get outside of their comfort zone too much, the last 3-4 FF are a proof of this. Personally also I find that very few things that are coming from the community are innovative at all since most of the time ppl are asking to make this game like FF11

[Reynhart]

What I meant is that if you don't like an RPG you shouldn't keep playing one and whine that it should be an RTS, also I don't think that your statement is necessarily true, some games are still very popular despite beign a carbon copy of themselves and other gets panned because they get outside of their comfort zone too much, the last 3-4 FF are a proof of this.

You might want to refrain of the overstatements a bit, don't you think ?

For you, asking for changes is akin to wanting to play an RTS ? Yeah, sure...Oh, and by the way, did you...hmmm...played Lords Of Verminion ? Tell me how great it fits in the J-RPG genre...

As for the recent FF, despite what your personal opinion is, FF XIII was a huge success. It's the 4th game when it come to sales. So yes, stepping out of their comfort zone was a good idea.

[loreleidiangelo]

To be fair I believe it was meant to be if you don't like the core structure of the game it might be better for you to change the game, not that if you have a problem with a part of it in general

This is exactly what I mean. Horizontal progression is not coming to this game. Pure support roles are not coming to this game. Removal of instances and heavy focus on forced-grouping overworld content is not coming to this game. Massive timesinks without any catch-up safety mechanisms are not coming to this game.

Most suggestions I see are along that line, and they don't mesh with the dev's design philosophy. This interview pretty clearly states that they have no intention of altering that philosophy, so if this casual-oriented, vertical progression, gear treadmill game with huge focus on RP, QoL, and character appearances isn't what you like, you shouldn't hold your breath for it to change.

[Iromi]

This is exactly what I mean. Horizontal progression is not coming to this game. .

Yes it is, according to Yoshida:

Q. I'm sure there are players who think "I'm not enjoying this game if i'm not raiding"
Y. It might be because the Japanese MMO market hasn't had "high end raids" before and not being able to clear content even if you have the best gear is new for them. You have to have a certain player skill and spending time doesn't just reward you the victory and you need to put in all sorts of effort to achieve your goal. This can be tough at times, but you can get really excited when you clear it for the first time with 7 other people. This impact is what told the players "This is what FFXIV is like" and they have that image in their minds now, so the following problem we need to solve is, horizontal content.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...needs_to_ask/?


Although I do not believe it until I see it, he still is entertaining the idea, and there are plenty of more recent interviews of him expressing the understanding of the need for horizontal type progression. I am not going to search and list them all obviously, but yea.