Yoshi-P on Character Growth

[bass9020]

and anyone who has a new idea attacks anyone who likes how it is and the developer for not wanting the same ideas.

The people who like it how it is never give good enough reasons except the same old excuse NEW PEOPLE NEW PEOPLE NEW PEOPLE! Thats all I ever see. At least the people who want changes have thought out ideas. But what do I know not much honestly.

[Musashidon]

The people who like it how it is never give good enough reasons except the same old excuse NEW PEOPLE NEW PEOPLE NEW PEOPLE! Thats all I ever see. At least the people who want changes have thought out ideas. But what do I know not much honestly.

someone doesn't give you a reason you find good enough so that means you are allowed to attack them? thought out ideas? to you maybe but that doesn't make it *thought out* it's easy to side with what you like and say its good and that goes for both sides.

With this game population reaching 500k

there is a millions arguments that we could go through but it's pointless.

you have no proof of how high or low the current sub population is as se will never give out that info saying the game is doom is simply fearmongering that happens every patch and you saying it isn't slim won't ever change what will happen (doesn't mean it can't but that is far from happening)

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

you have no proof of how high or low the current sub population is as se will never give out that info saying the game is doom is simply fearmongering that happens every patch and you saying it isn't slim won't ever change what will happen (doesn't mean it can't but that is far from happening)

We have the player made data census, they are not accurate, but giving them 20% error margin, they could be considered a very good evidence to support my claims, again, no, its not SE exact accurate numbers. What we do know from SE tho, is that yoshida supports this model of patching and content releasing under the excuse of "you take a break, go to play something else, then come back".

How that is a good design philosophy, and a good sign to the health and future of the game, i have absolutely no idea. Just smokes way too high if you ask me. "listening to the silent mayority", what is this, a crappy political campaign slogan?

He said is ok for players stop playing his own game if they belive it became too boring and then come back so it feels fresh again. Thats what we know for certain, and that is certainly a very dissapointing statement when you look to the future of the game.
Personally, i don't want FFXIV to be something people plays for 1 month after each patch and then turn into a empty wasteland (which some servers actually are) but it seems, that is exactly what yoshida wants to happen.

[Musashidon]

that is certainly a very dissapointing statement when you look to the future of the game.

not at all, yoshi p can't stop players from choosing to play way over the limit he has in mind for players to play. so the only thing he can advise people to do is take a break.

if he changes from the idea of only needing to play a certain amount of time the players he is choosing to cater to (them) will leave the game and not come back and for what? the smaller group that would play a game like what you are wanting? if you are against the idea that is fine but that doesn't mean your opinion becomes so fact about the death of ff14.

also the census is a fake census i have been through this once i can make a fake pie graph if you would like to show how everyone is playing ff14. (it wouldn't be true but then i would have fake data to use also)

Proof is collected via achievement data mining. This only shows characters, and not players - so the numbers are actually slightly inflated. It is sad to see that only ~2000 players (I mean characters) on my server have completed the 3.3 story line, and ~5k have finished the 3.0 story (IIRC).

this picture shows how the subs are going since release (as you can see it's only up)

Personally, i don't want FFXIV to be something people plays for 1 month after each patch and then turn into a empty wasteland (which some servers actually are) but it seems, that is exactly what yoshida wants to happen.

but people play plenty after 1 month it's players who burn out who is truely effectly (players like you, bass on and other on the forums) then you have the group of players who never stick to one game anyways and will always be coming back for first week and leaving afterwards.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

but people play plenty after 1 month it's players who burn out who is truely effectly (players like you, bass on and other on the forums) then you have the group of players who never stick to one game anyways and will always be coming back for first week and leaving afterwards.

Oh, so now you know how much i play and how do i play?

Im one of the people who burn through content and left after a month or so? I didn't knew that, i guess i need to tell my FC that i really wasnt playing all this time, just the first months of each patch.

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actually it is, you can pretend all you want the info on the census means anything but it doesn't.

until se gives us real sub numbers they are all fake numbers.

SE is all that there is good. Player information is evil. Yoshida deliver us from sin.

You sound extremely fanatic, players have been trying to come up with information about the servers, there are servers which right now, are struggling for the lack of active players, but since SE hasn't (and spoiler alert: will never) give us real numbers, then its all an ilusion.

BTW, that SE give us numbers, not that they will ever, but even if they were to give us numbers, they could also be fake, in fact, they have much more reasons to give us fake numbers than our fellow community players. We want to know the truth of what is the real status of the game, SE will want to hide that truth if isn't what they want to show to the rest of the world or would alter it (inflate numbers) to do publicity with it. So i think community efforts to come up with censuses are much more legit than anything SE will ever give us.

[Musashidon]

Oh, so now you know how much i play and how do i play?

Im one of the people who burn through content and left after a month or so? I didn't knew that, i guess i need to tell my FC that i really wasnt playing all this time, just the first months of each patch.

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Ive never once was burnt out from doing content so please down speak for me. This game just doesn't offer any substance and now I've really grasped that with the past couple interviews. I just play for the story and side quest chains now.

i don't need to know how much you play as you are against the idea of taking a break which is the whole point it doesn't matter if you play the whole time you are in the group of *against taking breaks* so you are part of that group. you can't be against the idea of taking a break but go wait a minute i am not with them!

So i think community efforts to come up with censuses are much more legit than anything SE will ever give us.

what you think doesn't make it true.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

what you think doesn't make it true.

When is support by reason, it does. Reasons for players to know what the truth of the server population and activity is, comes from the need to know how healthy their game is.
Reasons for SE to keep numbers secret are all driven by their need to make the game look good, they are logically much more inclined to hide or alter numbers.

It is reasonable then to think that Players censuses are much closer to the reality than anything SE will ever give us.

[bass9020]

but people play plenty after 1 month it's players who burn out who is truely effectly (players like you, bass on and other on the forums) then you have the group of players who never stick to one game anyways and will always be coming back for first week and leaving afterwards.

Ive never once was burnt out from doing content so please down speak for me. This game just doesn't offer any substance and now I've really grasped that with the past couple interviews. I just play for the story and side quest chains now.

[Kaurie]

someone doesn't give you a reason you find good enough so that means you are allowed to attack them? thought out ideas? to you maybe but that doesn't make it *thought out* it's easy to side with what you like and say its good and that goes for both sides.



there is a millions arguments that we could go through but it's pointless.

you have no proof of how high or low the current sub population is as se will never give out that info saying the game is doom is simply fearmongering that happens every patch and you saying it isn't slim won't ever change what will happen (doesn't mean it can't but that is far from happening)

Proof is collected via achievement data mining. This only shows characters, and not players - so the numbers are actually slightly inflated. It is sad to see that only ~2000 players (I mean characters) on my server have completed the 3.3 story line, and ~5k have finished the 3.0 story (IIRC).

[Frederick22]

The people who like it how it is never give good enough reasons except the same old excuse NEW PEOPLE NEW PEOPLE NEW PEOPLE! Thats all I ever see. At least the people who want changes have thought out ideas. But what do I know not much honestly.

Do you understand you are just saing nonsences, right?

Things are how it is, accept it or leave the game. The mayority is the people who remain silent, which make sence since they dont have reasons to complain and make a thread about it.