Roles for Samurai, Red Mage, Dancer

[Balipu]

If there is one thing i have leares through all of these SAM DPS/ Tank threads it's this: The vocal majority would rather bastardize the concept of a real world warrior culture that for generations held up fundamental ideals of honor, sacrifice, and duty to others before and at the cost of their own lives (Bushido being not unlike a Knights Chivalry), for the sake of less role responsibility in a fantasy based mmo ...

The saddest part? In wanting to play the fantasy of a Samurai, they want to cut out a Samurais role in not only real world history but established fantasy aswell. The reason we don't have a sword DPS is simple, the sword iconography/ symbology denotes a hero. By all means prove me wrong, pictures of swords through the back are welcome, particularly Samurai attacking the enemy From behind.

Really? Aren't you overreacting a bit. So everyone who would like to DPS as a Samurai are pissing over japanese culture. I get it. You really don't like dps, but there's really no need to be this harsh about it. Also there are other things to consider. Like:

If they go the ronin route it would be more seven samurai than anything in terms of job fantasy than any kind of murderous assassin. And even then, the ronin archetype is not how samurai has ever been portrayed in a Final Fantasy game. Any time it's been there it's been specifically NOT called samurai. So if they do add that archetype they better damn well not call it samurai so we can get a proper tank samurai later

Are you sure? Gill toss is a recurring Samurai ability. Sounds more like something a Ronin would you. And as you never fail to mention whenever I bring up my wish for an Othard based expansion that Doma was burned to the ground, so any samurai trainer, especially one that is far away from his homeland, would very likely be a wandering sellsword. Also, one of the most beloved samurai stories IS the story of the 47 Ronin, who avenged their lords with good old fashioned murder.

It's actually quite easy to argue both for a DPS Samurai and a Tank Samurai. I would just personally prefer to get a DPS. But if it ends up being a tank, I will still roll one as early as possible.

Why do you suppose they gave Samurai in XI a trait that boosts its attack when fighting face to face to an enemy? Here's my take on it: Job Image. Also, the trait was picked and used by pretty much every SAM, at least when it was current.



It was just as much, or even better, of a tank than WAR was. Guess what? When the game released, WAR was the only job that even came close to qualifying as a tank. For a very long time, there was no other true tank in the game other than Paladin, and that didn't even come until later. But there were definitely other jobs that were intended to do some tanking. SAM was one of those. WAR was another.

And Ninja was also one, wasn't it? While I won't deny that Samurai could sort of tank in FFXI (It's the only entry in the main series I haven't played yet, so I literally can't deny claims like this) throughout the series Samurai's main thing was doing horrendous ammounts of damage. Heavy armor or no, it was the most DPS of DPS classes.

If Red Mage or Samurai are a Tank, they will look like this image. Samurai probably won't look neither good with that, but, think on it. Between Red mage or Samurai, which one fit that gear? If you ask me, that thing fits more a Samurai than a Red Mage. A lot of people complain about the indetity of the jobs in this game, but you will allow this to red mage only in order to obtain a Samurai DPS?
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Or we will get a dexterity based evasion tank that will wear gear that looks nothing like this.

In my opinion FFXIV has huge identity issues anyway when it comes to gear, it feels like every job is butchered in its appearance, it's just all kinds of messed up imo.

Pretty much none of the MNK or NIN gear has an eastern touch to it, except for AF. Most of the gear looks the same for DRG too, just very slight variances between DRG and MNK, slight variances between NIN BRD and MCH.
And Casters and Healers look alike too except for color differences.
OH AND DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON NIN WEAPONS. just a bunch of freaking daggers and miniature swords....

Yes, thank you! I love my ninja, but I can't stand the gear. So far every other job is far behind but I might change my main to Machinist if things won't improve. Or to one of the new jobs in 4.0

watch us get geomancer, blue mage, and Tamer instead lol

That would be fun. Although Geomancer is unlikely. It could happen as a DPS job for conjurer, but Yoshie-P seems to have something against classes, so another dual job likely won't happen.