Roles for Samurai, Red Mage, Dancer

[Shippuu]

Druid WoW stuff

I see where you're coming from and I understand. Druid is definitely a sort of anomaly if that's the case. At the same time they still have casted heals like regrowth and healing touch but they're definitely an example of something that can't be easily labelled caster or not.

So you've pointed out my flawed mindset of what I would describe something as a caster and I'll concede that to you. You have a broader definition of caster than I, and so when I think of a caster something more specific comes to mind but it doesn't have to be confined like that.

I still feel I'd have a hard time calling a job that used mostly instant cast spells in FFXIV a "caster tank." A Mage tank certainly. Even then it doesn't really broach the issue that a primarily magical damaging tank has it's own problems, but that can be solved with simply having said magical attacks deal normal typed damage and not magic damage, even if that doesn't make the most sense. It's done on current jobs anyways so guess it's a non-issue.

There's still the itemization issue if it's supposed to look like a mage. But if it's an armored mage then that'd be fine too. There's just not many iconic (and popular) Final Fantasy jobs that fit that bill. Samurai could still definitely be one of them though as it's had some history with magical attacks/summoning spirits etc.

[Welsper59]

I see where you're coming from and I understand. Druid is definitely a sort of anomaly if that's the case. At the same time they still have casted heals like regrowth and healing touch but they're definitely an example of something that can't be easily labelled caster or not.

So you've pointed out my flawed mindset of what I would describe something as a caster and I'll concede that to you. You have a broader definition of caster than I, and so when I think of a caster something more specific comes to mind but it doesn't have to be confined like that.

I still feel I'd have a hard time calling a job that used mostly instant cast spells in FFXIV a "caster tank." A Mage tank certainly. Even then it doesn't really broach the issue that a primarily magical damaging tank has it's own problems, but that can be solved with simply having said magical attacks deal normal typed damage and not magic damage, even if that doesn't make the most sense. It's done on current jobs anyways so guess it's a non-issue.

There's still the itemization issue if it's supposed to look like a mage. But if it's an armored mage then that'd be fine too. There's just not many iconic (and popular) Final Fantasy jobs that fit that bill. Samurai could still definitely be one of them though as it's had some history with magical attacks/summoning spirits etc.

Oh I definitely agree. The naming convention of a "caster tank" just doesn't flow well. Thus, I'd probably never call it that, even though it technically would qualify, but as you've stated a "mage tank" would be better. From my experience, the type of damage a tank of magical properties would mostly do is such a cop out field lol. "Non-elemental" is a frequent one RPGs like to turn to.

As for itemization, just like the damage type, they can always just make up something. Samurai though, follow Bushido, which lore wise does have a bit of spiritual magics involved, is more akin to giving them super human capabilities. SAM would probably be the least likely candidate of being a magic type... in fact, the only one left of potential options (since DRK and PLD are done) would be RDM lol.

[Katana190]

SAM would probably be the least likely candidate of being a magic type... in fact, the only one left of potential options (since DRK and PLD are done) would be RDM lol.

I really want a Mage tank to be held off for Mystic Knight/Rune Fencer, I think RDM is the least fitting but that's just my opinion (Y) I could definity see RDM tank being a possibility but I think Mystic Knight/Rune Fencer would be a lot more fitting.

Apart to add a new fresh air to tanks, you forget WAR utility go to get nerf and there is no other tank how figth to WAR in the OT spot, so add a new tank with some utility take it from WAR, a new gameplay, only need to watch other tanks un other mmo to see there is todo many mechanics to add to the role.

Just to add, WAR is not getting nerfed if that's what your saying, but Yoshi said he would bring the other tanks up to standards which is long overdue. It's nice their doing this, we'll see how it goes though. The problem is if they left WAR to be the overlord tank it is and added another Tank that is OT orientated, there would be no excuse to not take New Tank/WAR as it would just be meta.

Edit: I know GS's are taken by Dark Knights, so they could always make a new weapon up for Mystic Knight/Rune Fencer. Maybe Rune Blades?

[shao32]

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yoshi recognice WAR and SCH are pretty over in utility, all jobs go to recibe changes in 4.0 and WAR and SCH are not exception in order to make a better balance and dont repeat this situation again, buffs and nerfs go to come for equal to all jobs, they cant just buff everything to WAR/SCH level , its called balance for a reason