Roles for Samurai, Red Mage, Dancer

[Alacran]

It's a good thing there isn't a "common criminal" job then, right? Even then he's keeping the enemy's attention to protect his friends and/or lord.

If there is one thing i have leares through all of these SAM DPS/ Tank threads it's this: The vocal majority would rather bastardize the concept of a real world warrior culture that for generations held up fundamental ideals of honor, sacrifice, and duty to others before and at the cost of their own lives (Bushido being not unlike a Knights Chivalry), for the sake of less role responsibility in a fantasy based mmo ...

The saddest part? In wanting to play the fantasy of a Samurai, they want to cut out a Samurais role in not only real world history but established fantasy aswell. The reason we don't have a sword DPS is simple, the sword iconography/ symbology denotes a hero. By all means prove me wrong, pictures of swords through the back are welcome, particularly Samurai attacking the enemy From behind.

[AlphaFox]

I know everyone is kinda between on Samurai but I kinda view them as possibly following the way Musashi did it. Niten Ichi-ryū
May be others who did it as well but he is the one who comes to mind. Would also fit how Yoshi mentioned possibly changing the name to Ronin

[Nalien]

I wouldn't put too much stock in what Jobs used to be able to equip... Jobs were never limited to a single weapon type before, and we also had situations where Dragoon could equip shields, or even duel wield lances... The bottom line is that a sword and shield Red Mage is going to be visually identical to Paladin... Forget Samurai and Dark Knight looking similar, Red Mage and Paladin would just straight up be clones of each other... We don't need a second sword and shield tank...

Drop the shield, go full on on the fencing vibe, and Red Mage can be whatever it wants to be... I'd rather finally get a sword wielding DPS, but a fencing theme can easily tank as well... Only way to get a truly satisfying mix of heals and nukes is for Red Mage to be a healer, but that'd down play the fencing side of things, and really... Isn't White Mage already Red Mage in that sense? It has just as many nukes as heals...

If RDM was to go DPS, it would be a heavy support DPS imo because DPS usually don't get heals, they're expected to dps / support.

Is Summoner a support heavy DPS? Last I checked it has a heal and raise... The heal is fundamentally worthless, but it's there...

[SyzzleSpark]

Yoshi said he wants SAM to be a DD.

Also can someone explain the penchant some of the playerbase has for suggesting clothies as tanks? Mages and clothies are squishy i.e. not tanks.

[AlphaFox]

Yoshi said he wants SAM to be a DD.

Also can someone explain the penchant some of the playerbase has for suggesting clothies as tanks? Mages and clothies are squishy i.e. not tanks.

Personal spell like Protect (or tank stance) to increase defense to a good level, done. Its not so much we want a clothed mage, we just want something new for tanking. In almost every game played, I have never seen a straight up mage character tank (if you know one, please let me know, may be interested). I mean in a way, I'd imagine just like BLM with new spells and better defense but not as good in attacks....actually that does sound like a RDM.

[ADVSS]

Personal spell like Protect (or tank stance) to increase defense to a good level, done. Its not so much we want a clothed mage, we just want something new for tanking. In almost every game played, I have never seen a straight up mage character tank (if you know one, please let me know, may be interested). I mean in a way, I'd imagine just like BLM with new spells and better defense but not as good in attacks....actually that does sound like a RDM.

aye but tank armor is superior in magic defense compared to even mage armor in this iteration, not lying, its really sad, itd be easier to slap a magic tank in heavy armor, cause it defends magic better than robes even

my favorite version of a mage tank is dragon ages arcane warrior, btw, having a buff that allows it to use intellect as its str stat to wear heavy weapons and armor and limiting its max mp pool but allowing it to cast magic if it wants to go oomp. alot of this classes unction was to limit its mp pool for seemingly permanent buffs to tank better

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Arcane_Warrior

keep in mind they COULD do this for red mage, but the idea of a split jobs from a single class seems like a route they wont take again.
it would be a branching class femcer > Mystic knight (tank) Redmage(dps) post 30 would be the transition between caster blasts, or more enfire/barrier abilities. I dont see them doing this though. But i think it could work and would make the community less divided with the tank/dps redmage, id probably main and gear both even if their basic skllset was similar

[TarynH]

Also can someone explain the penchant some of the playerbase has for suggesting clothies as tanks? Mages and clothies are squishy i.e. not tanks.

In Final Fantasy 1, Red Mage could actually wear light armor (chainmail, etc.). In FFXI they can wear scale mail. Technically any "mage" can wear whatever the developer decides they want them to wear.

But here's another idea. Shameless plug: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...d-BLU-function

[Vanitas]

If Samurai isn't a DPS I'm quitting this game for a whole ten minutes.

[Fevelle]

If Samurai isn't a DPS I'm quitting this game for a whole ten minutes.

If Red Mage is a tank, I'm doing the same!!!

[MomomiMomi]

If you're going to play a samurai, you must follow the code. Just as knight (Paladin) must.