Difficulty format for Normal and Savage will remain in 4.0

[Taika]

You're basically asking the developers to take out something from non raiders and give nothing but a 3 month delay in return.

Don't you think the "non-raiders" would actually spend that time doing things like the previous Savage raid, older extremes etc. instead of nothing? Since that content has been made easier and put in Duty Finder for accessibility and does not require a static or having studied the strategies perfectly to be able to complete the fights. What would be wrong in spending that time farming gear from that content (which already has a token system similar to Alexander normal except it's better since you get 1 token drop per win for sure every week) instead of just farming the two expert dungeons?

In my opinion, if we need to keep something similar to the current system, the perfect rotation would be:

1. New Savage tier raid + New Extreme + 2 new dungeons with relatively relevant gear
2. New 24 person casual raid + 2 new dungeons with relatively relevant gear (story mode of the current Savage raid here if there really has to be one)
3. New Savage tier raid + New Extreme + dungeons + the (1.) Savage and Extreme are nerfed and moved to Duty Finder so that those who haven't done them yet can experience them and farm the gear
2. New 24 person casual raid etc.

[thegreatonemal]

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Unlike ARR where you could ignore mechanics and just burn down everything HW is not like that all of these past fights (except Ravana) require you to do the mechanics, failing to do so means you die instantly/kill other people/wipe the raid. The echo does not help in these fights if people don't know the dance they wont clear. All overgearing does is making the dps check sections of the fight easier. Maybe 4.0 will change that but i doubt it the design concept for ex trials and savage raids has changed from 2.0

[Taika]

Unlike ARR where you could ignore mechanics and just burn down everything HW is not like that all of these past fights (except Ravana) require you to do the mechanics, failing to do so means you die instantly/kill other people/wipe the raid. The echo does not help in these fights if people don't know the dance they wont clear. All overgearing does is making the dps check sections of the fight easier. Maybe 4.0 will change that but i doubt it the design concept for ex trials and savage raids has changed from 2.0

But like in previous Coil turns, the developers are able to adjust the fight mechanics while they move them in Duty Finder. That's not really an issue.

[Vantol]

But like in previous Coil turns, the developers are able to adjust the fight mechanics while they move them in Duty Finder. That's not really an issue.

I'm sure they will, plus level unsynch. That's why being 3rd-4th to clear Coil on my server, this time I decided to not even touch savage. What for? I will be able to clear it in 4.0 with little to no effort in 1 day.

Same goes for bird farming.

[Taika]

I'm sure they will, plus level unsynch. That's why being 3rd-4th to clear Coil on my server, this time I decided to not even touch savage. What for? I will be able to clear it in 4.0 with little to no effort in 1 day.

Same goes for bird farming.

Which is exactly why I think it would be a good idea to get rid of the tome gear and normal mode gear: those who want to get into the new highest level content right away would benefit from having done the previous tier when it was fresh, and at the same time it would still be valuable (because of rewards, not only the story) content when it goes in Duty Finder for those who would rather do it without a static or party finder and when it's not so demanding. It's really important that there's a wide variety of content for different difficulty levels with relevant rewards for those who are currently running that content.

[thegreatonemal]

But like in previous Coil turns, the developers are able to adjust the fight mechanics while they move them in Duty Finder. That's not really an issue.

They already did that they just lowered some damage the fights have pretty much been the same

[otarolgam]

Don't you think the "non-raiders" would actually spend that time doing things like the previous Savage raid, older extremes etc. instead of nothing? Since that content has been made easier and put in Duty Finder for accessibility and does not require a static or having studied the strategies perfectly to be able to complete the fights. What would be wrong in spending that time farming gear from that content (which already has a token system similar to Alexander normal except it's better since you get 1 token drop per win for sure every week) instead of just farming the two expert dungeons?

I actually do that... I'm not really interested in the Extreme Primals cause... they're literally on the same level as Savage for me.