war nerfs(srs bznz pls)

[aleph_null]

If only a WAR could survive that combo while saving Holmgang, Foresight, Convalescence, Equilibirum and Second Wind for the next rotation...
Oh, wait, it can

Without even adressing the issue that eating all of this solo doesn't have any purpose since it's possible to completely avoid Final Apocalypse. Or the other issue that even if you have a PLD or DRK to tank that solo, your off-tank still better be a WAR.

Even though he could've saved the holmgang for the second final punch, the second beam might kill him. He could survive the first beam without holmgang since he still had vengeance and thrill on. I haven't reached that part yet in A8S so idk if you can survive it with only defiance and IB.

[Reynhart]

idk if you can survive it with only defiance and IB.

Wether he could or not, it's still irrelevant.
You can manage Final Apocalypse and Final Beam differently. Even if you decide to split Final Beam with only the two tanks and not the whole party, you can completely avoid the damage of Final Apocalypse, saving some precious MP for your healers.

It's exactly like how a properly timed HG or LD can allow you to take Secondary Head and Primary Head against Kaliya without dying. It's fun and all, but it's still meaningless and doesn't justify the use of PLD or DRK as main tank.

[Brian_]

Wether he could or not, it's still irrelevant.
You can manage Final Apocalypse and Final Beam differently. Even if you decide to split Final Beam with only the two tanks and not the whole party, you can completely avoid the damage of Final Apocalypse, saving some precious MP for your healers.

It's exactly like how a properly timed HG or LD can allow you to take Secondary Head and Primary Head against Kaliya without dying. It's fun and all, but it's still meaningless and doesn't justify the use of PLD or DRK as main tank.

It's not irrelevant because it's a raid DPS gain if you don't have to spin the boss around like a top and don't have to share the beam with the party. Melee DPS don't get pushed back, ranged DPS and healers don't get their casts interrupted. They have an extended DPS window where the boss is just a striking dummy. Subsequent mechanics are also greatly simplified because you don't have to reposition before prey + long needles for the first set and J-storm for the second set. Also, like I previously mentioned, the PLD being able to HG Final Punch --> Apocalypse --> Final Beam means that at least one if not both of your healers are free to DPS from after J-kick until the beginning of prey + long needles. If used on the second set, they're free to keep the party healed through short needles and prep for J-storm. That's why HG is really, really good in A8S.

That's the difference. The nuance of raid optimization and balance is hard to understand when you don't do the content. That's why I suggested you stop digging.

I don't get the need to try and comment and stuff you don't understand. I wouldn't walk into an operation room and tell the medical staff that what they're doing is unnecessary and that the patient will be fine.

[Reynhart]

It's not irrelevant because it's a raid DPS gain if you don't have to spin the boss around like a top and don't have to share the beam with the party. Melee DPS don't get pushed back, ranged DPS and healers don't get their casts interrupted.

You only need to turn it 90° for Final Apocalypse, and I'm pretty sure I said "split Final Beam with only the two tanks", especially to not push back DPS.
I may lack some raiding skills, but I'd thought you have at least the proper reading skills...

[Freyyy]

I may lack some raiding skills, but I'd thought you have at least the proper reading skills...

That punchline tho