Fix paladin. Only Class in the entire game that cannot...

[Daniolaut]

I agree with you Erudito.

I was just offering a much more simple way to make paladin of any use besides taking damage and having threat in an multiple enemy situation. Single targeting in between flashes, is nice, but is kinda silly, especially considering both warriors and dark knights can do so while dealing area of effect damage. Warrior just cant interrupt its ATB, but while it cannot, it can get a free area of effect attack every 8 weaponskills or so.

Why don't you just use the acronym for Global Cooldown (GCD) instead of using the wrong term ATB (Active Time Battle)?

ATB or Active Time Battle isnt wrong.

This is Final Fantasy. Its very much appropriate.

Whats wrong, is:

Calling return, release
or
calling Omnirod the Elder Staff, and the Elder Staff the Omnirod.

[Kabooa]

ATB or Active Time Battle isnt wrong.

This is Final Fantasy. Its very much appropriate.

Whats wrong, is:

Calling return, release
or
calling Omnirod the Elder Staff, and the Elder Staff the Omnirod.

Active Time Battle is wrong, by your own analogy.

Active Time Battle refers to a Turn Based System, where Turns come based on a value hitting the designated number (Usually '100'), often increased by a variable amount ('Speed'). You can toggle off the forced turn-wait in certain Final Fantasies, but in others it's enforced (Such as Final Fantasy 10).

ATB, in every iteration, is either a variation or an exact duplicate of the Turn Based System.

The GCD system is not. It is always 'your' turn, it's real time.

[Kitfox]

Active Time Battle refers to a Turn Based System, where Turns come based on a value hitting the designated number (Usually '100'), often increased by a variable amount ('Speed'). You can toggle off the forced turn-wait in certain Final Fantasies, but in others it's enforced (Such as Final Fantasy 10).

ATB, in every iteration, is either a variation or an exact duplicate of the Turn Based System.

The GCD system is not. It is always 'your' turn, it's real time.

GCD is ATB in disguise, a variation if you will. You just have "off-turn" abilities on top of your normal "turns." Our current battle system is turn-based in every practical sense. That's why the people expecting an action RPG are so disappointed with it.

After hitting an ability, GCD (ATB) starts, and you need to wait for it to come back again. The speed of the GCD (ATB) depends on your speed stat, like in many other turn-based games. If you're a good player, you always input an action on your turn as soon as possible because there's no waiting, similar to ATB system with no wait time for input. However, to make things a little more interesting, we actually have abilities we can use "off-turn" (oGCDs). These things can't be used at the same time with other GCD actions, though, so they effectively have their own "turn" between the other turns, because delaying GCD actions is inefficient.

So what you're really looking at is effectively a turn based battle system, with two different types of turns where actions can happen. Just because there's no wait time for input doesn't mean it's not a turn based system. It's not always your turn.

[Kabooa]

So what you're really looking at is effectively a turn based battle system, with two different types of turns where actions can happen.

This would be true if the only actions taken in Final Fantasy 14 were ability / action choices, but they are not. Movement, environment interaction, auto-attacks, and other often encounter-unique variables exist, all of which have nothing to do with the GCD timer.

FF14 isn't running a variation of the ATB or Turn Based systems. They are running what most MMOs use as the standard now, and that's a Real Time GCD based combat system.

[Kitfox]

This would be true if the only actions taken in Final Fantasy 14 were ability / action choices, but they are not. Movement, environment interaction, auto-attacks, and other often encounter-unique variables exist, all of which have nothing to do with the GCD timer.

FF14 isn't running a variation of the ATB or Turn Based systems. They are running what most MMOs use as the standard now, and that's a Real Time GCD based combat system.

Movement is the only 'real time' part of combat. All mobs and bosses have their own unique turn length for their mechanical abilities and auto-attacks run on their own timer which is effectively just another ATB gauge, that you don't actually even pay any attention to.

If you took the movement away, you could easily drop the whole FF14 ability system into FF1-9+13, and the only thing different from those other FF games would be that you have an extra turn between the other turns for certain abilities.

[HyperiusUltima]

Movement is the only 'real time' part of combat. All mobs and bosses have their own unique turn length for their mechanical abilities and auto-attacks run on their own timer which is effectively just another ATB gauge, that you don't actually even pay any attention to.

If you took the movement away, you could easily drop the whole FF14 ability system into FF1-9+13, and the only thing different from those other FF games would be that you have an extra turn between the other turns for certain abilities.

Guys drop the ATB term when it comes to MMOs like this. This term does not apply to FFXIV whatsoever as it is in fact similar to WoW(where you have abilities that are on a Cooldown, rather than waiting your turn to use it again like FF1-10/12/13). To be honest though, PLD was lackluster in its creation in the first place.

[Kitfox]

Guys drop the ATB term when it comes to MMOs like this. This term does not apply to FFXIV whatsoever as it is in fact similar to WoW(where you have abilities that are on a Cooldown, rather than waiting your turn to use it again like FF1-10/12/13). To be honest though, PLD was lackluster in its creation in the first place.

I just find it an interesting argument to claim that ATB and GCD are somehow inherently different, when they're mechanically exactly the same. I don't really care about the terms either way. :P

And yeah, Flash needs to do damage, or be a different ability that does. This isn't the first thread about it.

[Lan_Mantear]

Just modify Clemency. Lower the MP Cost similar to a whm's Cure 1 or Cure 2 spell, and give it additional effect: enmity. That way you can use your other tools to generate initial hate, then use Clemency for upkeep.

[LilLemay]

My thoughts on Pali changes.

1. Flash needs to do some sort of damage ontop of generating emnity (as many have stated)

2. They could do with some more potency on their skills, to help close that dps gap between DRK and WAR

3. I'd love to see Cover have a bit more range to it, it's odd having to stand right on-top of my target

4. Clemency being insta-cast or just having a shorter cast time would be great.

5. Swap the unlock level of sword and shield oath, that way all the tanks get their emnity stance at 30.

6. Take sword oath and shield oath off GcD but keep them with a shared timer, just like how Defiance and Deliverance are, that way Paladins wouldn't have to waste a GcD turn to swap stances, which might even help their dps a little bit

7. perhaps roll the effects of tempered will into enhanced awareness? so once you unlock enhanced awareness it ups the duration to 24s AND removes slow as well as dodges draw in/knockback effects. Then have tempered will perhaps be an offensive cooldown of some sort? or a defensive cooldown?

[SyzzleSpark]

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With a series of buffs this generous you'd definitely have to throw the other tanks a bone as well.