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    I went from 840 rating down to 697 rating today. I've won like two matches and the rest have been loses because of unranked healers or tanks that were below i150 gear and do not know what pvp abilities are. This mode has just become a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DruakH View Post
    I went from 840 rating down to 697 rating today. I've won like two matches and the rest have been loses because of unranked healers or tanks that were below i150 gear and do not know what pvp abilities are. This mode has just become a joke.
    One of the top players of Primal went from Platinum more or less 1800 to around 1300 and back to gold.

    Seeing that 5th point I listed I just realized this could be exploited to not have a rating drop... The outcome of a match can change in the last seconds, but I guess some people would just use DC/leave to not take any risk. Not that DCs happen a lot but the few times it does it's very annoying.
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    I've only recently started doing Feast again and I have to say I kinda feel bad for all the gold healers I'm getting matched against while I'm still in bronze that get bronze dps vs the gold dps in my team. My win rate is through the roof, but I can't say I look forward to catching up

    I did get multiple new players that didn't even have ilvl 150 on my team though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoelNoel View Post
    Seeing that 5th point I listed I just realized this could be exploited to not have a rating drop... The outcome of a match can change in the last seconds, but I guess some people would just use DC/leave to not take any risk. Not that DCs happen a lot but the few times it does it's very annoying.
    Ya, there is no real way to deal with DC's effectively. The only thing I can think of is the game pauses for a minute to allow the player a chance to come back. Any other way however can be abused really badly so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aviars View Post
    Ya, there is no real way to deal with DC's effectively. The only thing I can think of is the game pauses for a minute to allow the player a chance to come back. Any other way however can be abused really badly so.
    That still could easily be abused. About to lose? Just dc to make the other team waste time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekk View Post
    That still could easily be abused. About to lose? Just dc to make the other team waste time.
    That would only be a problem if the timer kept ticking while the points were paused, because the winning team could DC a player and just run the clock. If they completely froze the match (no medal drops for kills and timer is frozen), then the only way they could abuse it is if the DC'd player didn't come back at all, but they would probably just consider that a forfeit for that player's team. If the DC'd player didn't come back within x amount of minutes then their team is disqualified at a loss, so there would be no benefit to DC'ing, even if your team was in the lead when you left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Februs View Post
    That would only be a problem if the timer kept ticking while the points were paused, because the winning team could DC a player and just run the clock. If they completely froze the match (no medal drops for kills and timer is frozen), then the only way they could abuse it is if the DC'd player didn't come back at all, but they would probably just consider that a forfeit for that player's team. If the DC'd player didn't come back within x amount of minutes then their team is disqualified at a loss, so there would be no benefit to DC'ing, even if your team was in the lead when you left.
    My point is that instead of lasting 8 minutes, the match would last 8 + x minutes of doing nothing, which could become a pretty aggravating way to grief someone when you consider some people have limited time to play and long queues on top of it depending on their role.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekk View Post
    My point is that instead of lasting 8 minutes, the match would last 8 + x minutes of doing nothing, which could become a pretty aggravating way to grief someone when you consider some people have limited time to play and long queues on top of it depending on their role.
    A minute on top of long ques is barely anything. Also, DCs don't happen that often, it wouldn't be bad at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekk View Post
    My point is that instead of lasting 8 minutes, the match would last 8 + x minutes of doing nothing, which could become a pretty aggravating way to grief someone when you consider some people have limited time to play and long queues on top of it depending on their role.
    I don't disagree with you. I'm just pointing out that it's a method that could not necessarily be exploited. Most other alternatives are ones that could potentially open the door to easier boosting, match fixing, etc. Having to wait an extra minute or two due to a DC isn't nearly as bad by comparison. It would be annoying, sure, but at least it wouldn't adversely effect the gameplay and rankings by allowing cheating.
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    Never let a DC member get a draw, DC can result only to loose, it's sure it's not fair of loosing point for a DC but doing others option will just be a mess :

    if DC result draw : players will unplug the rj45 to get the draw

    if DC result no point is loosed : players will unplug the rj45 to not loose point

    Off course it will just waste the time of the winning group
    I encounter that with fighting game where there is not point loosed when we got disconnected, the result is free cheating and ragequitters...
    We would like we can trust players to not cheat but there always cheaters
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