Quote Originally Posted by Miste View Post
Just because you have not run into one doesn't mean others haven't. The bad DF groups exist. You just got lucky, you run with friends a lot, or your idea of bad takes a very extreme higher level of badness for you to notice.

We are even on the same data center and I have a long list of DF parties of people basically leeching off others to get their rewards because they are either completely oblivious to how to play their job even after getting to 60, some refuse to take any advice or help by completely ignoring you or even with some verbal abuse at you if you try, or they just don't care they are wasting their teammate's time. I've also leveled like 3 characters and have been playing for basically 3 years since the 3rd anniversary is about to hit this month.

See how different our experiences are? Saying you've never run into this problem yourself is kind of pointless to say.

As for the grading I personally don't think it will help much to reduce the amount of bad players, but I am just basically neutral I don't care if they add one or don't add one (I'd kind of like it added so I can have fun with it by challenging myself to do better but I do the SSS for that too). It will help the oblivious ones who don't realize they are doing so badly but don't know it and want to do better, but I think those types might be the minority of the bad players?

I'm only speculating but it seems to me most of the bad players are the ones who just don't care and/or verbally harass anyone who tries to give them advice to help them play better. To those types of bad players it is "their game" and "their time" even in group content which requires other real players to assist them to complete it (as in non-solo content); so they obviously don't have the mental capacity to actually care about and give consideration to anyone else in the group or their game or their time. It's all about them and they basically consider the rest of the group just NPCs to do the work to clear for them. Which is a totally wrong mindset to have in group teamwork environment.

So I do agree with you that the grading system won't really help these types of bad players. A grading system doesn't have to be a bad thing though. The OP specifically says that "This rank will be hidden and only for you to see" so it can help those who want to improve privately and help people try harder to obtain their personal best. If it is a personal thing I do not see what harm it can do. Oh edit but it should not segregate queues based on rank; that is not needed.
Finally someone who understand the point of this system god those white knigths are annoying.
If you wanna experience bad DF please, come in a EU data center and enjoy the Germans and frenchs DF runs, so painfull.