1 Materia makes any crafted item better than any NM/Raid/Dungeon item. Why?

[Medura]

Why did you put inverted commas around easy? lol. It's easier than multiple t4s, hell its actually possible. I still don't see the point you're trying to make. You mention 4 t1 materia, but why would you do that when you can meld a T3 or T4 at 100% chance and get a bigger bonus, then throw on a T3 or T2 on top of that for a solid item with a decent success rate. Sometimes I really think people should just think for 5 minutes, and THEN post.

The point is mister "iforgeteverythingimsaying" that you were talking about attaching 4 materia. I talked about materia level 1 cause that is the easiest and cheapest. I also said the price for 3 materia level 4, didnt i? Stop saying the opposite of your last sentence every new post you write.

[Medura]

You can't add materia to Sentinel's Trousers, at least. I honestly can't say for sure about the cuirass because I haven't seen anyone with it. Pro doesn't list it as unique/untradeable but it has missing information on the pieces of new gear, as well, so who knows? Also, the "old" raid gear had its stats overhauled along with everything else, so it's not actually old.

I'm not going to give any definitive opinions on Sipahi stuff because it's PUG gear and I know very little about that. It seems to have some pieces geared towards evasion tanking, yet the turban for whatever reason has -enmity on it. Most of the pieces seem lackluster for actually hitting things.


I don't actually know the going rate for FFXIV gil but I doubt a few billion costs more than perhaps a $1k at most. There are a lot of people out there who do not consider that prohibitive and will buy their way past competition regardless of the cost.

Also, I doubt that T4 materia is actually selling for 4mil+ because it's quite easy to make and prices are in free fall mode anyway.

Just checked price of gil. 5 usd per mill. meaning you need 15000 usd for it. But you can't buy that much, cause they dont have so much gil :P

[Medura]

Thumbs down for being retarded.

Thumb down for making another account gifthorse

[Buddhsie]

Thumb down for making another account gifthorse

Not familiar with the term gifthorse, but I assure you this is my only account.

[grandm]

His play style is that everyone else is wrong and he is right.
And YOU "sir" are a troll. Shoo Shoo we don't want your type in this game.

i am not saying my play style is better than any1's all i'm saying is i can't see the point in getting power lvl'ed to take part in an endgame that is yet complete. play how you want. but yes shoo to all the trolls

[Chain]

How many people are going to bitch about things they don't like that goes against what they learned in WoW and FFXI. Go play those games! They're still up and running!

If that's what you want to do, then do it and shut up. This game isn't a time-sink for epic loot drops. Seriously. If you don't understand that, You're not going to like the direction this game is going.

Sure the devs occasionally take what people say on here into account, but for the most part, they won't. In my opinion, they shouldn't.

I can't stress enough how pointless these whining posts are. This is a FPS mentality. This isn't an elaborate port from FFXI to FFXI-2. It's a brand new game, still in the works. It's FTP so far, so deal with it, or gtfo.

You know what? I just realized how pointless it is responding to these petty grievance posts. The forums are filled with white knights, and trolls. And trolls don't want to agree or play the game to play THIS game. They want what they want, and give no shits about anything else.

Most of you will quit soon enough, and at the VERY least, the server lag issues will be fixed... So...

Carry on.

Sool btory cro.

[Klive]

http://bluegarter.guildwork.com/albu...118b6df1006f0d
Ifirit downed: The Axe drop does.

Damage: 171
Delay: 4.3
+15 Fire Resist
+20 Attack power
+ Additional Fire damage

That is clearly worth at least two materia. plus that damage seems kind of large. I'm no MRD, but isn't that like 30 damage more than a crafted axe?

[Alexandrious]

Ya that one, the one that the majority of the people playing ffxiv will find subjective and biased. Hemad, obviously.

Nope, ignorant noobs will find it subjective and biased, smart people like Frein will agree with it. Its the honest damn truth, and you know it. Ill repeat.

Crafted Gear in ANY mmo should not, not EVER, be > then Endgame team oriented collected Raid gear. The only times its ok is if said crafted piece is made from PARTS of a hard and powerful enemy to create pieces to a said set.

Oh and Medura dear my sweet little nublet. its called RNG. Their WILL be people who gets it on the first try, like theirs people who socket all 6 or more Manastones their first try back in Aion. You obviously have no experience with RNG whatsoever. As for cheating? Its in no way cheating, thats like saying its cheating to play a old snes space shooter game using an Auto Fire controller Pad.

And again since you are unable to read. You think materia is still gonna cost that much in the next month? Honestly? Do you really think so? You must be on a very low pop server then. Mine is full of RMT clone groups. They are everywhere. And they are producing materia out faster then America eats hamburgers in a day.

[NoctisUmbra]

This whole argument is moot.

First let's give players some time and see how many weapons with multiple materias melded to them in a way that make them better than Ifrit weapons are in circulation At that point let's also check how many Ifrit weapons are in circulation.

If there are more materia-enhanced weapons that are all-around better than the Ifrit weapon for their class than the Ifrit weapons in circulation, it can be accepted as a problem. I won't be surprised if SE makes some adjustments at this point.

If, however, there are more Ifrit weapons than superior materia-enhanced weapons, then we can conclude that superior materia-melded gear is tougher to obtain than the raid gear in question. Therefore there is no problem, as there will be more than enough incentive to farm raid gear given the superior materia-melded is more difficult to obtain.

If we break this down;

There will be people who get lucky. Statistically, this is a very, very small number. That possibility, however, will give people incentive to participate in this content. So far so good.
There will also be people who are filthy rich = who will throw their gil at materia-crafting until they get their superior materia-enhanced gear. These people, through their choice as well as a result of their efforts in amassing wealth, will have earned their gear.

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Now, we have this argument that players should not be able to obtain, through sheer luck, gear that is better than raid gear, which requires skill.
This argument, in my opinion, is simply a player crying - crying because someone will exist in the game that will have a better weapon than them, despite not having bested the skill-based content they have. There is no wide-spread issue here unless these weapons are easier to obtain than raid weapons. The measure of difficulty can be determined by abundance.

In conclusion, whether or not this is an issue can be argued into the ground with speculations and theoretical analyses of difficulty. In the end we will only know what is more difficult to obtain by looking at circulation and seeing which is more abundant.
Also, as a final note:

It is not the gear that makes a player better. In the hands of a skillful player, any decent weapon is deadly.

[Physic]

http://bluegarter.guildwork.com/albu...118b6df1006f0d
Ifirit downed: The Axe drop does.

Damage: 171
Delay: 4.3
+15 Fire Resist
+20 Attack power
+ Additional Fire damage

That is clearly worth at least two materia. plus that damage seems kind of large. I'm no MRD, but isn't that like 30 damage more than a crafted axe?

you are in fact correct, it is 20 dmg more and 20 attack is a max level IV materia, fire resistance im not sure but probably top teir too, the fire dmg is currently a unique trait, that puts it at a 2-3 value materia, maybe more depending on how effective dmg is versus other stats.

This basically sets the debate to rest, high end raid gear will in fact be better than, only a extremely high materiaed item, which is by far more time consuming, since people have in fact beat ifrit multiple times, and Ive yet to hear about the 3 materia HQ crafted weapon that was supposed to be super easy.

buuuuut we ll see if that ends the debate