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    Yayadon Yadon
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    Cerberus
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    What needs to change with the current healer meta are the attitudes.
    Yep, the attitude needs to change that striving for improvement of yourself and others and being required to do more than the absolute minimum is "bullying", like you try to say it is. This is part of the reason people in this game are so bad. Nothing requires them to improve by design. There's no real difficulty curve. So now we, the players, should also stop requiring improvement? How about no?

    DPS pushers, understand that this benefit is a luxury and until content is released that requires healer DPS to clear, healers should NOT be pressured or told to do it
    For the umpteenth time, the fact that healer DPS is not strictly and numerically required to beat bosses has nothing to do with this. Healers should absolutely be told to DPS. If they cannot handle DPSing and healing, they should either move on to another role or accept that they are a mediocre healer. Don't try to make sub-par play acceptable, we have enough bad players as it stands.

    And even more than that, they should not be made to feel like they are inadequate.
    But. They. Are. They are playing on a level of a DPS autoattacking, or a tank spamming Flash. That is literally what a heal-only healer is doing. The absolute, bare, minimum required contribution. That is the very definition of inadequate.

    Making people feel less than yourself is the very definition of bullying.
    By the twelve, no, it's not. By your definition, criticism is bullying. Stop trying to paint people who want and require more than the minimum contribution from people as "bullies". You're basically name-calling because you have no arguments.

    Pushers please try to understand that there can be legitimate reasons why a healer does not enter Cleric and may not be due to laziness or selfishness.
    There aren't, and you haven't even tried to provide any. Also, pretty much all other reasons people have provided here or elsewhere reduce to either or both of laziness and selfishness, including the unwillingness to improve.

    It is completely counter-productive.
    On the contrary, what you are doing is counter-productive. You are advocating sub-par playstyle as acceptable, or even "great". That's not gonna help anyone improve, because it allows people to sit comfortably on their minimum contribution thinking they are good players.

    We need to call bad what is bad, and start with ourselves - that's how I begun as well once I realized healing in this game is different from all other similar games I've played so far. The first step to improvement is realizing you have to learn (and to keep this mindset, because there's always room to improve), and you're not gonna achieve this by telling people that they are being great and good healers when they are not.

    You put yourself in contention to not just be a great healer, but an elite one.
    The elite healers are those who maximize DPS in the hardest fights the game provides, not those who DPS at all, your definitions make no sense. Again, you cannot be a good or even "great" healer without utilizing Cleric and your offensive spells. Hell, you can't even properly learn to heal without DPSing, as I've pointed out multiple times in this and/or other threads.

    I think if you simply say, "I'm not too comfortable stance dancing, but I will try." You'll get patience and understanding from most, even if you do mess up. Messing up, is part of the learning process. That is a true fact.
    This is about the only thing in this entire post I will agree with. I will absolutely have patience and understanding for someone who actually tries, because that means they are willing to improve, instead of expecting the rest of the party to carry them. Willingness to improve is step 0 to becoming a good player. And yes, failure is crucial to learning, because continued success makes people complacent.

    I might be idealistic by saying that I think we can all get along, but I will continue to hope that the day comes that we do.
    As long as you keep up this nonsensical, argument-free defense of bad play in the name of not criticizing people for said play, no, we're not gonna get along. Please stop, you're not helping.
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    Last edited by _slowpoke_; 08-10-2016 at 05:37 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Leveva Heavensreader
    A realm where one must apologize for being a victim is no realm worth living in.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hall of Novices, on Healer DPS