DPSing as a healer

[RopeDrink]

It defeats the purpose of the game when others are controlling your actions as well. The point of a game is to enjoy it. When you have people harassing you just because you don't want to DPS when your role is a healer and not a dps isn't what I'd call fun.

Mentalities like that are fine in a casual sense, but it still irks me. Refusing to use tools at your disposal because a role prioritizes a particular facet is restrictive to yourself and your team, for no reason other than you don't want to use them. It applies to all roles. If I see an opportunity where Mantra is going to give the healers an easier time (as a Monk), I'm not going to refuse to use it just because my priority is to hit things in the face. Pugging Odin is a good example. Assuming you even get to the DPS race, having healers standing around doing nothing is asking for a chance to fail. There are many cases where it is the content (not players) that dictate the pace. It's up to players whether they want to keep up, or increase the risk by refusing.

[Fevelle]

... SCH makes its living on barriers and buffs...

The only barriers healers have in this game are Galvanize/Nocturnal Field/Stoneskin. All of them are as shallow as <negates X amount of damage>.
We don't have any nullifying spells.
We don't have Haste, Blink, Aura, Bravery, Bubble, Faith, Reflect, Might, Temper, hell, we don't even have SHELL.
Saying that FFXIV is not limited in this aspects is delusional. I don't like comparing this game to FFXI, but they did it much better than FFXIV.

There are many cases where it is the content (not players) that dictate the pace. It's up to players whether they want to keep up, or increase the risk by refusing.

And that's my one and only problem with this game. Every single battle content in this game is DPS focused.

[Seoulstar]

Mentalities like that are fine in a casual sense, but it still irks me. Refusing to use tools at your disposal because a role prioritizes a particular facet is restrictive to yourself and your team, for no reason other than you don't want to use them. It applies to all roles. If I see an opportunity where Mantra is going to give the healers an easier time (as a Monk), I'm not going to refuse to use it just because my priority is to hit things in the face. Pugging Odin is a good example. Assuming you even get to the DPS race, having healers standing around doing nothing is asking for a chance to fail. There are many cases where it is the content (not players) that dictate the pace. It's up to players whether they want to keep up, or increase the risk by refusing.

It still does not excuse the harassment and insulting that I'm seeing.

[Tint]

The only barriers healers have in this game are Galvanize/Nocturnal Field/Stoneskin. All of them are as shallow as <negates X amount of damage>.
We don't have any nullifying spells.
We don't have Haste, Blink, Aura, Bravery, Bubble, Faith, Reflect, Might, Temper, hell, we don't even have SHELL.
Saying that FFXIV is not limited in this aspects is delusional. I don't like comparing this game to FFXI, but they did it much better than FFXIV.

SCH has his Single Target and his AoE shield and Stoneskin, yes, and Sacred Soil, wich is another AoE shield, Virus and Eye for an Eye to reduce the Enemys Attack, Shadow Flare to put Slow on the Enemy.
Shell was originally a trait for WHM only, they changed it with 3.0 when they added AST. So there is no Shell skill, but Protect gives you the M-Def buff.
but SCH has a M-Def Buff from Eos. And Selene has a Haste skill. AST also has a Haste-Card.

sure, it is not perfect, but also not as bad as you think.

[technole]

It defeats the purpose of the game when others are controlling your actions as well. The point of a game is to enjoy it. When you have people harassing you just because you don't want to DPS when your role is a healer and not a dps isn't what I'd call fun.

You know the only reason it comes up is because there is a higher standard than the player that just sits there and jumps around with nothing to do. If out of the 10x you run the same instance and you notice 3 of them just non-stop overheal, you know what a good and not-so-good player consists of. DPS that keeps a solid rotation, keeps their buffs up and does good damage. Or a tank that uses all their cooldowns defensively and offensively (like turning off tank stances, using mitigation to compensate, and using their AoEs) to contribute more damage.

That isn't to say in easier content you must be throwing every waking second on heals or DPS. Even just tossing up dots and an occasional nuke here. Or in simplest terms, putting some damage on-the-board. That is enough to put someone in better than most category. Playing at a higher level than most players is never a bad thing. Comfort factor is built-up over time.

[_slowpoke_]

When you have people harassing you just because you don't want to DPS when your role is a healer and not a dps isn't what I'd call fun.

It's not harassment by itself to correctly point out that someone is standing around and doing nothing of value instead of being in Cleric DPSing like they are supposed to. Sure, you can be a dick about it, but if you sign up for DF, you sign up to do the best you can for getting your party through the dungeon. That includes doing damage as a healer, whether you want to or not. If you don't want to do that - or don't "enjoy it" - don't use DF. Or don't play a cooperative multiplayer game in the first place.

[Valmaxian]

Just to be Devil's advocate here, its not always fair to assume that if a healer is not casting, they aren't doing anything. In situations where I am not 100% confident in my tank/DPS I might be watching those health bars like a HAWK (we've all had those moments when the tank takes fluctuating, nerve-wracking damage). I also add DPS whenever possible. I'd like to think that everyone wants to do the best job they can, however I don't think anyone appreciates being told what to do or what's "wrong" with them, whether in a game or in real life. I'm sure we all do things that would annoy someone, and its not healthy to constantly dwell on what might irritate the next person.

If you are the type of player who expects healers to DPS, do that. Setting the example can be positive and helpful, and if you're the one doing it, the job is being done. If its a raid/roulette situation, join or form a static with people you trust. There are no reasons to not have the experience you want.

[Tsumes]

don't play a cooperative multiplayer game in the first place.

So someone should quit playing entirely simply because you feel that a healer who doesn't DPS is "doing nothing of value". I guess healing isn't valuable to you. Man, that defense stat must be maxed out huh? Nice.

Tanks have Healing skills, so does SMN and many other classes. Yet no one expects them to help with healing. DPS's have it easy. They can button mash with 1 hand, and set up macros to literally do their entire job FOR them while not even looking at the screen. But if a healer stands still for half a second, then suddenly they're being useless. People will say anything to make themselves feel bigger then the next guy. It's a rampant issue in this community. Healers have gotten the piss end of the stick since the dawn of the first MMO. Times never change lol.

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Very well said. Can't see how anyone can argue with that sentiment. There are absolutely zero reasons you can't have the experience you truly want.

[Fernosaur]

DPS's have it easy. They can button mash with 1 hand, and set up macros to literally do their entire job FOR them while not even looking at the screen. But if a healer stands still for half a second, then suddenly they're being useless. People will say anything to make themselves feel bigger then the next guy. It's a rampant issue in this community. Healers have gotten the piss end of the stick since the dawn of the first MMO. Times never change lol.

I'm sorry what? Have you played any DPS class in this game? I'd say that DPS are the ones that require the most technical skill ever since 3.0 arrived, and if you really just button mash with one hand and use macros, believe me, the tank and healer are gonna notice because things are going to be dying VERY slowly. I'm not one to point out things people in DF are doing wrong because it's not really my problem, and I probably won't see them again ever, but awful players come in all classes. Tanks that can't hold hate or don't use CDs or self-healing are annoying, DPS who deal low damage and get hit by everything are annoying, and healers who just stand there doing nothing through the entirety of a run are also very annoying.

Saying healers are the only role that get this kind of treatment is silly and short sighted. Saying DPS "have it easy" when you're advocating for a style of play that literally has you standing there doing nothing, while everyone else is CONSTANTLY contributing something to the party with every GCD available, well... that leaves me speechless. And no, using Cure/Physick/Benefic over and over with every GCD isn't contributing anything.

I don't hold it against healers who don't want to DPS because they don't feel comfortable or safe doing it. That's perfectly fine. But if someone could do something and instead does not because they don't want to? That's being lazy and selfish.

[Tint]

So someone should quit playing entirely simply because you feel that a healer who doesn't DPS is "doing nothing of value". I guess healing isn't valuable to you.

i noticed this too. at the beginning of 2.0 people where thankfull for your healing. it changed over the time and one year later it was all about dps. in my group back then the healer must not make mechanics because he wasn't able to heal in that time. today the healer has to do them because it's not that a huge dps-loss.

the whole healing-meta is just broken and somehow the community is defendig it.