DPSing as a healer

[Rennies]

I could literally get a second account and bring more to the table in a dungeon run playing as DPS+Healer than the average DF healer who chooses to not contribute to the party's overall damage. A healer who chooses to do nothing but heal is bringing nothing of value to the table beyond what is required. If it's safe, and you can do it, you should. Healers can and do bring relevant damage, especially in dungeons, so choosing against that is entirely nonsensical.

By the way, nobody expects tanks+DPS to heal because it's impossible for them to ever match a relevant fraction of a real healer's spells...

[Tint]

By the way, nobody expects tanks+DPS to heal because it's impossible for them to ever match a relevant fraction of a real healer's spells...

and nobody expects a tank to stance dance. they choose to make 20% less damage when they use the tank stance. but they are still moving, yeah, so they are not lazy or selfish or whatever. i can tell you i tried tanking and it is less work than staying around watching HP bars and being ready to heal.
so where is the rant about tanks? just pressing 1-2-3 combo, spamming one button for aoe and sometimes popping a cooldown...

[Rennies]

and nobody expects a tank to stance dance. they choose to make 20% less damage when they use the tank stance. but they are still moving, yeah, so they are not lazy or selfish or whatever. i can tell you i tried tanking and it is less work than staying around watching HP bars and being ready to heal.
so where is the rant about tanks? just pressing 1-2-3 combo, spamming one button for aoe and sometimes popping a cooldown...

The difference between a stance dancing tank and a tank-only tank is far less significant than the difference between a 0 DPS healer and a skilled healer. I'm still leveling Dark Knight but when my gear's up to par, I'll definitely pay attention to when I can throw out Grit for a bit and rely on certain cooldowns to keep me afloat while I throw out Scourge and Blood Weapon enhanced combos.

Also, what tank only uses their 1-2-3 combo and one aoe? I've only played Dark Knight to a high level but they have 3 combos, 2 different aoes on their GCD, a high potency single target DoT, a ton of oGCDs to be used between combos, and on top of that there's the MP draining power boost (which I love maximizing usage of). I can't really rant about a role which I lack experience in.

[Fernosaur]

Also, what tank only uses their 1-2-3 combo and one aoe?

PLD at lvl 50 sync lmao.

That said, even though PLD doesn't really have much AoE even at lvl 60, this can be off-set by the fact that PLD has ridiculous amounts of survivability in trash pulls, where healer DPS shines the most. A PLD can keep him/herself up through the entirety of a trashpull without healer intervention unless the pull is extraordinarily big, and even then, a regen or two is the most intervention the healer needs to do. PLD's lack of AoE DPS in trash is made up for them letting the healer be in Cleric much more.

[Rennies]

PLD at lvl 50 sync lmao.

That said, even though PLD doesn't really have much AoE even at lvl 60, this can be off-set by the fact that PLD has ridiculous amounts of survivability in trash pulls, where healer DPS shines the most. A PLD can keep him/herself up through the entirety of a trashpull without healer intervention unless the pull is extraordinarily big, and even then, a regen or two is the most intervention the healer needs to do. PLD's lack of AoE DPS in trash is made up for them letting the healer be in Cleric much more.

Yup, and that's why I love having a Paladin tanking for me. It allows so much Holy/Gravity spam after the initial regens have been put down.

[Reinha]

PLD at lvl 50 sync lmao.

That said, even though PLD doesn't really have much AoE even at lvl 60, this can be off-set by the fact that PLD has ridiculous amounts of survivability in trash pulls, where healer DPS shines the most. A PLD can keep him/herself up through the entirety of a trashpull without healer intervention unless the pull is extraordinarily big, and even then, a regen or two is the most intervention the healer needs to do. PLD's lack of AoE DPS in trash is made up for them letting the healer be in Cleric much more.

And all of it is wasted on the healer that just stands there overhealing when the PLD could sustain himself...

i can tell you i tried tanking and it is less work than staying around watching HP bars and being ready to heal.
so where is the rant about tanks? just pressing 1-2-3 combo, spamming one button for aoe and sometimes popping a cooldown...

A tank that is using every GCD is doing more than the healer who is "watching HP bars and being ready to heal". If the tank was putting in equal effort as such a healer, he would just be standing there with mobs hitting his face watching enmity bars and being ready to take back aggro. That's called minimum contribution.

[Rennies]

And all of it is wasted on the healer that just stands there overhealing when the PLD could sustain himself...

Absolutely. Lol, I have runs where the Paladin is so good that he literally doesn't need a heal for an entire modest pull (modest being 2 different groups) because he uses Clemency and his defensive cooldowns so well.

[Fernosaur]

i noticed this too. at the beginning of 2.0 people where thankfull for your healing. it changed over the time and one year later it was all about dps. in my group back then the healer must not make mechanics because he wasn't able to heal in that time. today the healer has to do them because it's not that a huge dps-loss.

the whole healing-meta is just broken and somehow the community is defendig it.

It's not that the healing meta is broken, though. This is literally how the game is designed. If healers weren't meant to provide DPS at all, they wouldn't have offensive spells, access to Cleric Stance, and everything would hit so hard that a tank would need heavy healing 100% of the time. This also means that a DPS or healer getting hit by a single mob would be one or two shotted by auto-attacks.

This kind of design simply doesn't fit the model of this game, and frankly, I'm thankful for that, because spamming Cure over and over and throwing a Cure II every now and then sounds much more boring than putting up regens, setting up your DPS spells and holding out for the right moment to turn Cleric Stance off to top the tank again and refresh your regens. It gives healers much more depth than simply being healbots and playing wack-a-mole with HP bars.

[Gemina]

I'm sorry what? Have you played any DPS class in this game? I'd say that DPS are the ones that require the most technical skill ever since 3.0 arrived, and if you really just button mash with one hand and use macros, believe me, the tank and healer are gonna notice because things are going to be dying VERY slowly. I'm not one to point out things people in DF are doing wrong because it's not really my problem, and I probably won't see them again ever, but awful players come in all classes. Tanks that can't hold hate or don't use CDs or self-healing are annoying, DPS who deal low damage and get hit by everything are annoying, and healers who just stand there doing nothing through the entirety of a run are also very annoying.

Saying healers are the only role that get this kind of treatment is silly and short sighted. Saying DPS "have it easy" when you're advocating for a style of play that literally has you standing there doing nothing, while everyone else is CONSTANTLY contributing something to the party with every GCD available, well... that leaves me speechless. And no, using Cure/Physick/Benefic over and over with every GCD isn't contributing anything.

I don't hold it against healers who don't want to DPS because they don't feel comfortable or safe doing it. That's perfectly fine. But if someone could do something and instead does not because they don't want to? That's being lazy and selfish.

I've spent as much time as my SMN as I have my SCH, and while there is definitely a lot more to the DPS role than button smashing and macros, playing healer has you focus on everything they do PLUS the health status of the group. I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've needed to DPS an add that needs to go down ASAP while they're still blasting away at the main target. I think the comments from this poster are derived from similar experiences. But let's not compare DPS flack to healer flack, because there is none. The only time they get hate is when their DPS sucks, and rightfully so because that is why they are there. In fact, I kind of feel bad for DPS because it never surprises anyone to come across a derpy, AoE starved, undergeared death muncher.

Healers and tanks are the ones that catch flack for not doing something that isn't required of them. I mean the same people ripping tanks apart for not using cooldowns are the same people who say healing in this game is ridiculously easy. Doesn't something about that seem broken to you? But the SMN who doesn't cast raise to help the healers out? A party specific ability, btw? I hear crickets.

So why wouldn't the poster you quoted or any other healer for that matter feel the way they do? Thank goodness they didn't give us any kind of tanking ability or we would be expected to do that sh*t too. You know, because it's part of the "tool kit". The current meta is feeding those with these expectations with a silver spoon, and healers - good healers, are becoming more and more bitter as a result.

As a healer, perhaps I should expect other players to bring potions and medicines to cure and cleanse themselves, because you know? It's well within their capability to do so?

[RubenSnizzle]

Why would you people care? Damage dealing spells for healers are only there for lore and questing.

It's up to the person if he wants to DPS or not, not you, if you want to DPS as a healer, go do it.


If you'd tell me how to play my class, even in the nicest ways, i'd tell you to stop harassing me or i'd report you. Stop hindering my enjoyment of the game, we ain't raiding, so sit down and drink your kool aid.