We love Yoshi

[Snugglebutt]

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Should you be banned from these forums because I do not like some of your more recent posts despite you having no desire to actually be banned, even if a lot of people still like your posts but I might not? Some of your old posts might have been fun to read but these days I do not enjoying reading your posts so perhaps you should be forced to go. Oh, that's not me being negative towards you at all...it's a positive thing and surely you can see that even though you don't want to be banned because I put it in the form of a question plus praised some of your past posts. That is the same sort of excuse your using to defend the OP's position in the other thread.

[Dumbledoremd]

How can you not like the guy he's a legend all hail Yoshi

[RLofOBFL]

I like Yoshi P.

[CelestePinke]

Except it loses meaning when the opposite thread was made just to openly oppose and mock the other side without adding anything meaningful. It's basically using Yoshida's hard work as a schoolyard tactic of mocking someone you don't like.

I have no problem with the OP from the thread you are referring to. The player is on my server and has every right to express their feelings.
So with that being said, pray forgive me for trying to show my appreciation.

[Shurrikhan]

Should you be banned from these forums because I do not like some of your [group's]* more recent posts despite you having no desire to actually be banned, even if a lot of people still like your [group's] posts but I might not? Some of your old [group's] posts might have been fun to read but these days I do not enjoying reading your [group's] posts so perhaps you should be forced to go. Oh, that's not me being negative towards you at all...it's a positive thing and surely you can see that even though you don't want to be banned []** because I put it in the form of a question plus praised some of your past posts. That is the same sort of excuse your using to defend the OP's position in the other thread.

* First off, would need to be a group for this to be analogous.
** I got slightly confused here.

If:
1a. I were the sole determiner of the group's quality or intent.
1b. And/or I were representative to the group's quality or intent.
2. You, the disatisfied, were representative of the maximally sized player-base from whom I could secure subscription and popularity.
3. There were another candidate who could better fill my role (i.e. that massive unsaid condition in that OP).

Then yes, perhaps I should step down.

I'll admit that the other thread had negative opinions of the content it was addressing (or even that there was some degree of butt-hurt), but to frame all this in the question of whether people were "white knight"-ing Yoshida:

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...Yet others took that [as]* a slight against Yoshida himself, and rose to defend him. Moreover, some rose to defend his contributions up til now, which were not disputed, rather than what his presence might imply for coming development, which was the point of the thread. Certainly, past contributions can be used to infer future ones, but no such connections were made.

I never said the OP wasn't negative. (See sentence #1, first half.) I said it wasn't negative directly towards Yoshida himself.

(Though yes, in reading the OP one is free to assume that much of the negative comments the OP made towards the game would be due to Yoshida. Or not at all. That's up to the reader to decide for themselves.)

What I pointed out was that the defense was largely irrelevant in the form it was given. You don't need Yoshida's hefty credentials since the close of 1.x to let it be said that "no change in director is likely to make the differences you're looking for" or that "things are already progressing about as quickly as is realistically possible" or ask "what reasoning do you have that a different design philosophy would improve the future of the game?" Yoshida is in this case fighting a hypothetical "better" by whatever standards we assume from the OP and our own opinions. It's not going to be a fair fight, if taken head on. But that doesn't mean people need to iconize him, just to make the idea of a better impossible. The better does not, to any forum knowledge, exist. And we won't know of his or her existence until any such exchange is a done deal. It isn't a brawl; it isn't a rap battle between Yoshi-P and hypothetical Choice B. The question was, what do we think we know about Yoshida's contributions on current content (which is going to be ambiguous at best), what might we thereby expect of his impact on future development, are we thus satisfied, and could a change in leadership make a difference? If that's not what people were arguing in response when defending Yoshida, they're barking up the wrong tree. You seem to be treating the very idea as betrayal. I see the content (what has Yoshida done right, or is he a good guy, or has he been a good director/producer) as context-irrelevant until actually linked to the damn topic. And if we're off-page here, I suggest you look no further than the second half of sentence #1.

That is the same sort of excuse your using to defend the OP's position in the other thread.

Do you mean "excuse" as a tentative framework of reasoning, taking advantage of an otherwise tangential topic in order to talk about something of my choosing, or something else entirely? I can assure you it's neither of the first two, as should be evident from the post you're quoting here. I honestly have to wonder if you skimmed it. However, I see now I should have more clearly separated what was directly in response to you and what was in response to the idea of why people were being called "white knights" (my posts with Greedlox, etc.) I did not borrow that framework (see sentence #2) only to defend a particular other post. Arguing the term "white knight" and its usage was my actual interest. My apologies for the unclear division.

[Snugglebutt]

If:
1a. I were the sole determiner of the group's quality or intent.
1b. And/or I were representative to the group's quality or intent.
2. You, the disatisfied, were representative of the maximally sized player-base from whom I could secure subscription and popularity.
3. There were another candidate who could better fill my role (i.e. that massive unsaid condition in that OP).

Then yes, perhaps I should step down.

Well I guess the OP of that thread should leave and try not to let the door hit them on the way out then.

I never said the OP wasn't negative. (See sentence #1, first half.) I said it wasn't negative directly towards Yoshida himself.

What a load of crap. The OP is directly targeting their hate at Yoshi over the butt hurt he or she feels about some of the more recent content in this game and the botting issue, no amount of word play by you will change the fact that it is highly negative and insulting towards Yoshi to say he should be removed from his job against his will (he very clearly loves his job, loves this game and does not want to leave). The rest of your reply I snipped because it is nothing more than just additional attempts at word play to wriggle your way out of what I took issue with and responded to you about in my last comment. You can make your reply as convoluted as you like but I have no intention of being distracted by such nonsense and following you down that rabbit hole. You can call it skimming, I call it cutting out the nonsense and getting back on point.

[CelestePinke]

Well, I and several others still love Yoshi P.
And that is what this thread was for.

[Gallus]

Sorry but just saying "We love Yoshi-p" is useless and shouldn't need a topic for it.

Measuring the utility of the threads now? Going by that you'd delete 90% of the stuff that is written in here. Posting in a useless topic to say it's useless is probably even more useless.

If perhaps they made it into a topic talking about the positives and why they like Yoshi-p and what he did for the game it would be a different story but its not.

Would that make this thread any more useful? I think it's a pretty well known thing in which state this game was in 1.0 and what Yoshi did (on the big screen at least, we do not know the details).

It's just a thread created to counter another thread which didn't need to be made in the first place at least that other topic has reasons for why they think that and you can be against it but the OP of the other thread put that their opinion of why they believe perhaps he should step down. I'm not being a hater or anything for those that do like Yoshi-p but there is a difference between positive feedback

Reasons? I'll tell you what's the reason behind most people screaming "lack of content" and "game just became stale and boring", nothing's fun forever, these people should take a break from FFXIV, they blame it on the game but it's just something natural to happen. Regarding bots (the other big complaint from the person you claim gave at least "reasons"), I very much doubt this issue is entirely in Yoshida's hands, if there was another director in charge, you'd probably see the same thing. Still, I can't understand how bots can be a deal breaker for some people to the point they'd ask for a video game producer and director to step down xd.

[CelestePinke]

It is not useless to show my appreciation, if you can't understand that simply wanting to show in the sea of negativity,that is your problem not mine, but thanks for reading and wanting to put yet more negativity out there. Have a great day.

[WinterLuna]

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It's more of the fact everyone is defending this thread in relation to it being a statement and that's it, but if the same thread was made negatively, everyone would be demanding reasons why and commenting about how it's not constructive.

Double standards is all.