We love Yoshi

[CelestePinke]

Well, I and several others still love Yoshi P.
And that is what this thread was for.

[CelestePinke]

If I were the staff that had to look at these forums, I'd be tired of the negativity that is out here in the forums. I looked up the definition of the word discussion. Some included comments and some did not as part of what makes a discussion, so for the sake of argument, I acknowledge there are different definitions and I won't just throw a definition in here that would be in my favor.

And we still love Yoshi P.

I could have titled the thread We love Yoshi P and his team, but would it have mattered?

Some feel I need to give reasons for my thread:

I left a game to come and play this one. The game I left, the producer and staff didn't care about the game or its players. I came here in March of 2014. I watched the live letters (even the ones that were on broadcast in Japanese. I was so delighted to see a staff that got excited and were clearly eager to make this game great. (Other game staff was rude to their players and sometimes fixed stuff that was broke and I paid a sub for that one.) Yes, I get bored grinding away and I play this game on average of 16 hours per day and I only play this. Knowing this game has long term playability. I make it interesting. I make new characters, I queue undersized by myself on any dungeons I can just to see how long I can survive, I craft and gather. I RP with a friend. I hadn't PvPed til recently. I get on a mount and turn my HUD off and tour the realm. Doing these things, is enough for me to say I love Yoshi and the staff.

[WinterLuna]

Those with such criticism however should not be immune to having their points of contention critiqued.

Neither should the positive ones.

I criticised this thread because it was quite clearly a shot at the other Yoshi thread with one statement, regardless of whether the OP was genuine to express their love for Yoshi. This is obvious and undeniable.

Yet, the people defending that one statement are the same people who will read the title of a negative thread and spout about how the creators of said threads hate SE and that they should quit and how unappreciative they are of the devs work.

No, a long thread doesn't mean a thread is informative or valid, but I know for a fact some people will read the first line of a negative thread and jump to conclusions purely because it's not positive.

The OP edited the thread anyway, I have no problem with it. Again, it's just the hypocrisy of some people. One rule for one thing, a different for another.

[CelestePinke]

To WinterLuna

I am unsure if you read entire thread, but I replied to someone that this thread is merely to show my appreciation. I cannot control what other players choose to post or think. Nor was this some contest (as that's how I took your comment.) I don't personally know the player of the other post nor do I have a desire to start issues on this game or with another player on my home server. If that's not what you meant then I apologize. Please note that I do not post often and most times I merely read and sometimes click like. I spend more time playing this game than reading the forums.

[WinterLuna]

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Don't worry, I'm not implying you were trying to cause trouble, only that the thread was in relation to the other. I apologise if I came across rude or anything. My original comment was just that the original thread you created (a few sentences) could have been posted into the other Yoshi thread.

The rest of my comments were more about people defending the thread who also complain so much on negatives, I wasn't trying to dig at your thread personally with those comments, apologies

[Snugglebutt]

My original comment was just that the original thread you created (a few sentences) could have been posted into the other Yoshi thread.

If I was the OP I would not want to put this threads content in the other ridiculous thread either. Especially since all that would do is get the sentiment behind this one swallowed up while keeping the stupidity of that other threads suggestion going.

The sentiment expressed in this one has vastly more likes than the sentiment in the other and putting this threads initial statement into that one would be like attaching a rope with a rock to it's ankle and tossing it into a tar pit of negativity where it would sink to the bottom. I am perfectly happy with this one being outside that other negative and quite frankly insulting one as a counter balance to the amount of hate threads popping up of late. If you do not like the existence of a thread like this which has a positive sentiment expressed within it as the primary initial post, well that's just too damn bad for you.

Also, I don't see how a negative thread is harmful to anything, providing it's constructive. Feedback is feedback. A thread can be both negative and very respectful.

If you think that other threads original comment to which the thread was created to express is respectful towards Yoshi, you are very wrong. The position of that threads creator is to remove Yoshi from his position against his will. They made that blatantly clear in their initial post. They are merely trying to gain support for doing so by posing it as a question and using poor justifications and excuses to back it up. It would be the perfect troll thread if the OP only wanted to cause trouble because it is insulting. Also as shown by the difference in likes between this one vs that one plus even inside that one those against the OP's suggestion all of which have vastly more likes in general than the OP's actual suggestion, it is a highly unpopular suggestion.

[WinterLuna]

If you think that other threads original comment to which the thread was created is respectful towards Yoshi, you are very wrong.

I was speaking about negative threads in general. Not once have I said I supported the other thread, you don't need to keep referring to it in that manner.

And the same goes for you about disliking certain threads. If you can't accept some negativity (minus troll threads) on an MMO forum, then that's also your own problem.

[Hyrist]

WinterLuna:

My question is, while you are critical those who are critical of the community (complainers complaining about complainers complaining) where do you suppose the impasse can be resolved?

In my opinion, posting threads that are inherently negative towards the developer/company/game tends to be both harmful to the community and ineffective as feedback. We often seen the more respectful threads replied to, one way or another. We often see feedback that is set respectfully see results as well.

So when someone is critical of a negative thread, or a negative post, I do feel that there is merit to the practice. Not that I feel that feedback in general should be squashed - but that it should be tempered with the same level of professionalism we are to expect from the company providing us a service.

But note, I count 'negative' as both those cutting down the company, and other players, regardless of their opinion.

I do think it's a fair practice to be critical of the community. In fact, if we were to listen to each other like we expect the developers to listen to us - it would likely be far more productive and immediate. It's almost hypocritical that we expect our words to be heard by the developer and acted upon while remaining deaf to our own comrades - for often the best solution for the developer lies within a compromise between our respective opinions, and the more we reach consensus, the more palpable our requests become.

[WinterLuna]

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I'm not against criticism. I'm against people criticising one thing for specific reasons but won't criticise another, simply because one thing is to their taste and the other isn't.

It's the hypocrisy I'm against. Not the criticism itself.

Also, I don't see how a negative thread is harmful to anything, providing it's constructive. Feedback is feedback. A thread can be both negative and very respectful.

[NovaLevossida]

I think it's worth a moment to pause and consider caution with a thread like this. Lots of companies try to put forth a person as the face of a company so that customers become emotionally attached to that person. Apple had its Jobs, Nintendo had its Iwata, and XIV has its YoshiP. As you make your threads talking about how much you "love" him, keep in mind that he's in charge of a product and service attached to said product, and unconditional love toward him free of criticism is doing you and the rest of us no favors as customers.