Someone has to say it...

[WinterLuna]

See that's the problem though the title should be enough to draw you in without needing to read the first post.

Many posts on the forum, if I wanted information on how to fix things I would look for post titles saying improvement,how can X be fixed etc. In the disappointment threads it is mainly filled with whiners offering no solutions to anything.

Being dissapointed in something isn't whining.

[Akira_Tenshi]

So the forums are only for postive opinions? Players have a right to discuss the game in whatever way they want. The game sometimes has issues, only blind fanboys would say otherwise. If we are unhappy with something then this is the place to make that known. While I'm here I would like to say I am fed up of people ganging up on anyone would dare Suggest something in the game could be better. I have been with this game since the alpha for version 1.0 and the beta for ARR. I have never missed paying for a single month. I am absolutely committed to this game. That however does not mean I have to think every aspect of it is flawless. If it wasn't for people like me who gave our feedback on the game we wouldn't even have had ARR. There is a place for postive and negative opinions on the game.

[Wanzer]

Yoshi-P, who, by the way, works and has worked so much more in these 2 years than any of you in 5 years

Wait, what ? Are you... OHMYGODYOUAREJUSTBEHINDME!!!!!! ;A;

I really don't see the point of that last sentence actually. Are we losers to you if we are disappointed by something ?
And, the time spent working on something isn't equal to quality too (we saw that with many games before). I'm not saying he did crap here, just... Yeah. You lost me with that last sentence. It doesn't sound right. :/

And as people already said, every feedback is important, by remaining respectful obviously.


Edit :
After having read more.

Constructive Criticism and Better Feedback are the way to go.

Thank you everyone for your answers, even the bad ones, i hope this whole thread shown you that you don't need to rage to get your point across, just be mindfull and explain your problems of the game properly so developers can fix them and improve them further.

Yeah, we are agree on a lot of points there. But you can't make a random value judgment first, then say that. ;^;
I mean, you can, but... It's a little bit contradictory in a way. You should just remove that part, i think. The "he worked more than you something".

[Ashewalker]

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Someone finnaly got what i meant^^

Yeah, we are agree on a lot of points there. But you can't make a random value judgment first, then say that. ;^;
I mean, you can, but... It's a little bit contradictory in a way. You should just remove that part, i think. The "he worked more than you something".

It was still the way i wanted it to go, in the OP i stated good and bad things, to get both reactions from the two type of people.

[Luinne]

I'm going to whine about whiners

There... i simplified the thread.

[Leigaon]

I get that feedback is important, but the issue is that people do not do Constructive Criticism, they go and say " I'm dissapointed in this" or " I hate this content", they do not give any constructive criticism which would sound better for devs than just "I hate it because it sucks" topics that i have seen so far....

Exactly, people do not give any real suggestions half the time. The ones that are given, some in great detail, even those they get very defensive if you look at anything negative on their side. Right now just looking you have special little snowflakes complaining about the Yo-Kai event. I haven't even noticed it, but none of the complaints really help. "This is just poorly implemented content" well good job you have no idea how to fix it but you made it sound good!

There... i simplified the thread.

lol you did, and we're all guilty of it. It's just that when you see a thread "Another bad patch!?" but all you hear inside are the negatives, you hear no real responses on how to fix it. Still, you're right..there's no real use in saying anything. A lot of these people are in the thought process of having instant gratification. If something can't be completed instantly, they get upset. If it gets completed too quickly, they get upset. It's a no win situation.

Saying "if you don't like it leave" is not a valid suggestion, some of us would rather see the game improve instead of just abandoning it entirely. Are you honestly saying you'd rather no one complained at all about Palace? If so, we might not have gotten last night's hotfix that increased upgrade chances and guaranteed at least +1/+1 from the final boss.

It's a valid suggestion about 50% of the time. Some people get burnt out on this game, and it does make you cranky. You need a break, you need to realize you don't have to do EVERYTHING at once. You miss dailies? No problem..it's okay. You miss capping your tomes..you'll get there.

The complaints about things like Palace, are fine. Though there's a difference between "I no like, it's not good..fix it fix it fix it!" compared to someone giving out a process of possible solutions and spark the idea..

[Ashewalker]

There... i simplified the thread.

Really?... i'm talking about something important and you make fun of it like a child?...

If you read all my posts, you wouldn't say that.

Please, keeps those type of ideals away from other people, we don't need a contamination.

[Red_Wolf]

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Welcome to MMO forums.

[Alistaire]

Someone finnaly got what i meant^^

Someone agreeing with you doesn't mean they "got it" while those that disagreed with you "didn't get it". That's a very arrogant attitude to take, especially when you've been proven wrong in the thread by SE's own statements.

Part of understanding what makes a good vs a bad argument will also teach you how to recognize when you've lost one.

[Ashewalker]

Someone agreeing with you doesn't mean they "got it" while those that disagreed with you "didn't get it". That's a very arrogant attitude to take, especially when you've been proven wrong in the thread by SE's own statements.

Part of understanding what makes a good vs a bad argument will also teach you how to recognize when you've lost one.

Seems like you didnt read both posts properly... I didn't meant that someone agreed, i meant that someone actualy understood my point, that i tried to say from the start and that i posted in later on, should be on page 4 or 5.