Someone has to say it...

[Chiramu]

This here is what matters, thank you Warlyx for posting this.

This is correct, one Complaint is of more value than a compliment but...

It needs to be a constructive complaint, most that i see around are just hating without any bases on their comments that are worth nothing and people do it out of being hyped for something and not meeting their standarts.

Constructive Complain = Developers understanding the situation better = Faster and Better content.

It also depends how popular the topic is. There is a lot of things I would like changed for QOL, but everyone else seems more concerned with the sparkles and fluff for their characters to talk about QOL.
The problem with the English forums is there is too little moderation. There needs to be people in the forums everyday, because good ideas can be lost in the multitude of whining threads.

[Welsper59]

So here's a breakdown of a couple things that often get overlooked from most/all people depending on perspective or side.

- Generally speaking, just because someone hates on something, doesn't mean they hate the whole product. That much is fact. They can provide negative feedback towards a topic of interest if they want to, as that's one of the functions of the forums. The next thing however, is where I think the OP is coming from, and where people arguing the topic in contrast are overlooking things.

- Articulation, understanding, modern social media culture, and the means to express oneself. We live in a time when people are so stupid that they will literally post pictures/videos of themselves online breaking the law and having that exact post be used as evidence to incriminate themselves. We're so oblivious about what we think is considered right or okay that we don't realize the world does not revolve around us or any one topic of concern (apply that to any subject matter, like FFXIV). Hence, why people feel the need to start topics repeating themselves and, again by repetition, have nothing of substance to offer.

Just take a look at most of the negative threads. They're not treated as opinion, but rather they're treated as objective fact. The prime evidence to this accusation is the call to remove something or to argue for prevention of future events like it because of <negative reason>. Yokai Watch hate is petty at best. The hate surrounding that specific event should be no more than simply dislike of the franchise, rather than a call for never having crossovers like that ever again (which is exactly what some people want). Trying to push for a denial of harmless content that people do enjoy, just because of some petty hate towards a franchise you don't care about, is absolutely a motion made not on opinion, but on a false belief that it is objectively wrong or bad.

When one wants to complain, you emphasize an understanding (if possible) as to why and how something is bad in relation to what is already out there that is good. You can't call something "bad" without having something "good" to relate to. The mindless rants that some topics start off as are fine, but they leave much to be desired as far as meaningful substance goes. That much tends to be quite true. Most of the time, when negative posters respond, they claim their words were taken out of context (which is probably true). They don't want to remove anything, they just don't want this specific harmless thing, that others may happen to enjoy in a video game, to ever exist again... you know, because that's totally not a reason for people to hate on someones negative "opinion".

If one can't understand why someone else would have fun with something they don't (in the intended way, at least), maybe don't push to demonize it right off the bat. Friendly advice there.

[DeadRiser]

Oh gosh, so sorry they keep adding bland content. I mean, it's so much fun to run through the same 3 rooms for 50 floors, open silver chests that mostly explode in your face, and fight the same bland enemies with nothing special. Oh, I almost forgot about traps...


I love this game, I really do. But I have to find a reason to keep playing, not because I'm enjoying myself. It's the same boring content on repeat. Nothing new and challenging aside from Alexander (and RNG if you consider that a challenge).

[Masekase_Hurricane]

I'd wished people would accept and learn that they dont have to enjoy everything but that there are people out there who might like certain content the devs just "wasted" time on - looking at you here, Jis
It would probably be really healthy for the forum, the form of critic voiced here and "yourself" if you'd ask yourself if you even were the target audience of a certain content before you scream "I DONT LIKE THIS!"

I've seen some pretty good complain-threads - they normally were well thought through - but when I see a "dissapointed in..." thread just hours after the patch is realesed I struggle to take those complains serious - you've seen it and found out it couldnt live up to your expectations and now you're dissapointed... yeah, sure, I guess...? You want to complain a month about everything being to grindey and then another month about not having anything to do until the next patch hits and you can start over again?

I agree I would rather read "Suggestions on improving X" than "X is disappointing"

[Jynx]

I agree I would rather read "Suggestions on improving X" than "X is disappointing"

I think most sane people would as well. It would be best if discontent players would at least make some suggestions when they make a thread about a topic and make a true discussion about the subject instead of just stamping feet.

Helps the developer get better feedback and helps the playerbase as a community. On the flipside it would be nice if the white knights would stop also stamping their feet about negative feedback threads all they do is perpetuate the very threads they are upset about by posting in them and keeping them on the top discussion page while other threads that may have more civilized discussion get pushed down because they don't have 20 people echo chambering their zealous love/hate for the game.

[Kerii]

The notion that these manifestos provide feedback to the developers is an entitlement fallacy. As the community team has explained on more than one occasion, the process is as follows: 1) The community reps keep tabs on these forums and other community hubs while tabulating that information into a report for the developers. 2) The developers take that information and compare it to their own internal data. 3) Changes are made if they are feasible. We could have 1,000 threads all complaining about the same thing, but we only need "ONE" with a significant number of likes to get their attention. Threads like "Post your suggestions for Deep Dungeon" will get far, far more done than the five or more "I hate deep dungeon" essay threads.

[Ashewalker]

Eheh Seems like i managed to get most of you agreeing in one sole thing, and what i wanted to prove.

Constructive Criticism and Better Feedback are the way to go.

True everyone can have their own opinions but how are developers supposed to take us serious if we seem like 10 year olds bashing on something we don't like?
The more clear we make ourselves in our feedback, even trying to approach a sensible option for Developers to take into concideration, the better. To be understood by them, and to show how much we love this game, we must treat them with the same respect that they do to us, remember, behind one game, there are hundreds of workers making sure we get the best quality game we can get, and our every monthly payment goes to help every single one of those workers that, in my opinion, are doing a great job.

The Palace of the Dead is one good example, the RNG was very harsh as me being in the 49th floor with my Armor at +29, a silver chest that would supposedly upgrade it, didn't. But someone came and posted this problem to the developers in the proper way (Not whinning), which allowed the developers to fix it to make so the boss as the 50th floor would always give +1/+1.

Before you think all i did was troll, do think again, i placed both words of hatred and goodness in my initial post to gather up the people from both sides, so that both sides would see each other in a diferent way, and in the end, like it did now, agree in the diferences and agree in the most important point, which is the underlined phrase i placed at the top.

Thank you everyone for your answers, even the bad ones, i hope this whole thread shown you that you don't need to rage to get your point across, just be mindfull and explain your problems of the game properly so developers can fix them and improve them further.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

That's why I like Reinha's posts they are short clear and straight to the point. They also have polls in which give a clearer understanding of what the player feels about the given subject. Here is one of their posts. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-Deep-Dungeon

[Arrius]

I am pretty sure that only applies to mostly the JP community here, given the fact how bad the team handles the issue with the EU promotion and only give the most basic replies to the feedback about it.

[MeiUshu]

My thread clearly asks for people's opinions at the bottom and yet I still got crap from people for having my own opinion.

giving you crap is STILL an opinion, just because you dont like it doesnt invalidate theirs