Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN

[Crica]

Originally Posted by KamikazeMan It might as well be considered cheating.

For something to be considered cheating, it would have to be against the rules of the game. Since PL at this current time is NOT against the rules of the game, that would mean PL at this current time is NOT cheating.

Originally Posted by Jericho When leveling is that easy, all the gear from 1-49 is completely and utterly useless.

All gear can be worn at any level by any level of player to "spiritbond" with and then be turned into "materia". All gear of any level at any level, therefore, has a use for all players. Furthermore, players who choose to not PL have a use for all levels of gear.

Originally Posted by Blarp Character progression is the most crucial part of an MMO.

For you. Character progression is still an option available "for you" if you decide to play FFXIV.

Originally Posted by Rinsui You throw a exploitable mechanic in a MMO, and expect players will not exploit it.

For something to be exploited, it would have to be used in a way that was not intended by the one-in-charge. Yoshi-P is the person who decides if something is allowed or not in FFXIV, so he is in charge of if something is being used in a way that was not intended. IF Yoshi-P decided that the current form of PL in FFXIV is being used the way HE intended, then everyone else is free to like or not like Yoshi-P's version of PLing and then choose to PL or not, but that does not mean anyone is exploiting PLing if they choose to PL.

Originally Posted by Travesty There isn't even 10% of the end game content they'd need to satisfy advancement as rapid as this.

If that is how someone feels, then the option to advance slowly is what they are looking for and is already in the game for them to use.

Originally Posted by Travesty Ok, why not just start the game fully geared, inside the Ifrit instance, in a party.

If enough players ask for this option and if it were possible to do in a cost efficient way, I am quite sure the devs would put the option to do this in FFXIV.

Originally Posted by Senprum This is ridiculous. I can't find a good solution for this. People are powerleveling like crazies right now.

There would have to be a problem for you to find a solution for. People PLing like crazy is not a problem unless they were forced to do it and they did not want to. Since no one can force someone to PL when they don't want to, there is no problem.

Originally Posted by Senprum The content pre-50 is pointless.

Not for the players who do not wish to PL.

Originally Posted by Nanaya PLing is the perfect opportunity for RMT to plan ahead and stockpile level 50s.

RMT can stockpile 50s anytime they play. It does not matter how many players are lvl 50 regardless if they are RMT or not. What matters is if the players and devs can "tell" who is RMT or not.

[Issac]

For something to be considered cheating, it would have to be against the rules of the game. Since PL at this current time is NOT against the rules of the game, that would mean PL at this current time is NOT cheating.

All gear can be worn at any level by any level of player to "spiritbond" with and then be turned into "materia". All gear of any level at any level, therefore, has a use for all players. Furthermore, players who choose to not PL have a use for all levels of gear.

For you. Character progression is still an option available "for you" if you decide to play FFXIV.

For something to be exploited, it would have to be used in a way that was not intended by the creator. Yoshi-P is not the creator of FFXIV, but he is the person who decides if something is allowed or not in FFXIV, so he is in charge of if something is being used in a way that was not intended. IF Yoshi-P decided that the current form of PL in FFXIV is being used the way HE intended, then everyone else is free to like or not like Yoshi-P's version of PLing and then choose to PL or not, but that does not mean anyone is exploiting PLing if they choose to PL.

If that is how someone feels, then the option to advance slowly is what they are looking for and is already in the game for them to use.

If enough players ask for this option and if it were possible to do in a cost efficient way, I am quite sure the devs would put the option to do this in FFXIV.

There would have to be a problem for you to find a solution for. People PLing like crazy is not a problem unless they were forced to do it and they did not want to. Since no one can force someone to PL when they don't want to, there is no problem.

Not for the players who do not wish to PL.

RMT can stockpile 50s anytime they play. It does not matter how many players are lvl 50 regardless if they are RMT or not. What matters is if the players and devs can "tell" who is RMT or not.

Right, because materia itself is the only thing we want in character progression. And the only purpose for gear from lv1-49 is to make materia to make our characters stronger. Uh huh. That's not a MMORPG.

I would go into far more detail for each of your points, as I have done so before in this thread for another person. But your arguments are so asinine that they aren't worth my time objecting to. I'm sorry if that comes off as insulting, and I'm even more sorry if you don't care.

Powerleveling is so blatantly, ridiculously, massively, stupendously overpowered in this game right now. It's like... Staring at the sun and saying it's dark out. Well damn, guess you went and made yourself blind.

I love this game, they have made so many positive changes. But powerleveling to this gross extent does not belong in ANY MMORPG. A game, if you can even call it that, that starts you out with a level 50 and gear of your choosing to run around a circular room with doors to raids would, at best, be called an adventure/strategy game. Let me repeat: NOT MMORPG.

If SE wants to change the genre this game is classed in, they can feel free. But I really don't think they want to do that, so we'll fight for the fix to this as hard as we can.

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Removed: "Get it through your thick skull." Bit too offensive, regret saying it.

[Crica]

Right, because materia itself is the only thing we want in character progression. And the only purpose for gear from lv1-49 is to make materia to make our characters stronger.

Players who choose to not PL have a use for all levels of gear.

I already stated that in my post.

Powerleveling to this gross extent does not belong in ANY MMORPG.

So change the "label" to something else, problem solved.

I don't enjoy or not enjoy a game based on what it's "labeled" as... I enjoy a game because it includes the options I enjoy.

So does everyone else.

If you do not enjoy the options the game has to offer, stop playing it or ask for the options you enjoy to be added.

However, the option you enjoy is already in FFXIV - you enjoy leveling slow, right? The option to level slow is already in FXIV, is it not?

[Issac]

Players who choose to not PL have a use for all levels of gear.

I already stated that in my post.

You would have made a nice point, however it is nullified by the simple facts of human nature. Please don't make me explain this, as it has been covered at least ten times in this thread.

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However, the option you enjoy is already in FFXIV - you enjoy leveling slow, right? The option to level slow is already in FXIV, is it not?

See above.
Oooh, afterthought. See below, too. This is just one of the many ways people have said the exact same thing.

You throw a exploitable mechanic in a MMO, and expect players will not exploit it.
Welcome to wonderland.

[Crica]

You would have made a nice point, however it is nullified by the simple facts of human nature.

You are going to tell me you will choose the option to PL because the option to PL is faster then the option to not PL, not because you enjoy it?

You are going to tell me the fact that you choose to do something you do not enjoy is now somehow the fault of one option being faster then another option?

[Frein]

You are going to tell me you will choose the option to PL because the option to PL is faster then the option to not PL, not because you enjoy it?

You are going to tell me the fact that you choose to do something you do not enjoy is now somehow the fault of one option being faster then another option?

Yes, that is exactly correct. Do you think anyone enjoys synthesis grinding? Of course they don't. They do it because it gives them in-game benefits. The same goes for PL.

[Crica]

Yes, that is exactly correct. Do you think anyone enjoys synthesis grinding? Of course they don't. They do it because it gives them in-game benefits. The same goes for PL.

Yes, I enjoy synthesis grinding and I that is why I choose to do it. Your theory has now been proven wrong.

[Crica]

Oooh, afterthought. See below, too.

Originally Posted by Rinsui You throw a exploitable mechanic in a MMO, and expect players will not exploit it.

I already addressed this in my post as well.

Originally Posted by Crica For something to be exploited, it would have to be used in a way that was not intended by the one-in-charge. Yoshi-P is the person who decides if something is allowed or not in FFXIV, so he is in charge of if something is being used in a way that was not intended. IF Yoshi-P decided that the current form of PL in FFXIV is being used the way HE intended, then everyone else is free to like or not like Yoshi-P's version of PLing and then choose to PL or not, but that does not mean anyone is exploiting PLing if they choose to PL.

[Issac]

I already addressed this in my post as well.

For something to be exploited, it would have to be used in a way that was not intended by the creator/owner. Yoshi-P is not the creator of FFXIV, but he is the person who decides if something is allowed or not in FFXIV, so he is in charge of if something is being used in a way that was not intended. IF Yoshi-P decided that the current form of PL in FFXIV is being used the way HE intended, then everyone else is free to like or not like Yoshi-P's version of PLing and then choose to PL or not, but that does not mean anyone is exploiting PLing if they choose to PL.

So have we. 10's of pages ago.

And the argument that now there are just "different options" for people that don't want to grind is extremely shortsighted. If this quick option exists, too many people will use it for the alternative to survive in any meaningful capacity. If the option for easy exists, very few people choose hard, for a multitude of reasons, even if they were people who would have preferred a less-easy route.

you should never get 1-50 mad quick even yoshi-p said that people should at least take 3half months to get there first high level.

Please note the above quote. How much direct weight are we giving what Yoshi-P says? Yoshi is the poster-child right now, and Public Relations is a tricky job. Yes he is the producer, but he is also the voice of FFXIV. That's a tough job, to speak to an angry mob on a variety of topics.

So stop using what he said in the live interview as a decree of law. Powerleveling is, in fact, outrageous and broken. It needs to be fixed.

[Crica]

Originally posted by Travesty ~~ If this quick option exists, too many people will use it for the alternative to survive in any meaningful capacity.

He is saying that he would not enjoy being part of a minority of players who enjoy not PLing and have the option to not PL if they wish because....?

Sorry, I could not extrapolate why he would not enjoy it from what he said...