3.4 Healer Rebalancing Thread

[Rawrz]

AST -Spear needs to be reworked hard core, hell just make spear only good for AST, like it makes your next card triple( Aoe, extended, enhanced) enhanced or something. Put it on a 300 second CD an poof AST now has a perfect utility option, an all its cards are now nice to see in "Draw" or for the love of god just make spear give expanded Royal.

WHM - Needs some damn utility, any at all for god sakes. Make stone skin 2 a 300 second instacast CD an more powerful like 20% or something.

SCH - Needs a better regen, one on or off their pet. Remove most of the dmg it does from dots and move it to broil like WHM/AST. You don't get to go full on DPS and go back to healing without ruining your DPS, that is some BS.

So give AST even more utility, while creating yet more homogeneity between the three healers by giving the class that has a 550 potency AOE heal bomb an instant AOE Adlo and taking away SCH's flexible playstyle. Got it.

[Llynd]

AST -Spear needs to be reworked hard core, hell just make spear only good for AST, like it makes your next card triple( Aoe, extended, enhanced) enhanced or something. Put it on a 300 second CD an poof AST now has a perfect utility option, an all its cards are now nice to see in "Draw" or for the love of god just make spear give expanded Royal.

WHM - Needs some damn utility, any at all for god sakes. Make stone skin 2 a 300 second instacast CD an more powerful like 20% or something.

SCH - Needs a better regen, one on or off their pet. Remove most of the dmg it does from dots and move it to broil like WHM/AST. You don't get to go full on DPS and go back to healing without ruining your DPS, that is some BS.

Sch do not need any more heals !! And you gotta understand that we cannot do anything about his dots since it also affects smn. You Just want all three healers to remain the same ?

[Valknut]

SCH's trying to hide their OPness, as someone who also has SCH at 60. Its never gonna stay the way it is.

Free unlimited healing, while DPSing, DMG that never really falls off, The best of the 3 healer AOE's. The only thing SCH doesn't have is a Cure II equivalent. Doesn't really matter as their sustain through healing and mana are the best of all 3 healers.

There is no homogeneity with 300 second CD's, I guess we should remove Living dead an Holmgang from the game, PLD already has a never die move... Wtf is this logic.

Give SMN a stance that increases the potency of its dots, Boom able to nerf base level potency's of Anarchists dots while preserving SMN.

[Rawrz]

SCH's trying to hide their OPness, as someone who also has SCH at 60. Its never gonna stay the way it is.

Free unlimited healing, while DPSing, DMG that never really falls off, The best of the 3 healer AOE's. The only thing SCH doesn't have is a Cure II equivalent. Doesn't really matter as their sustain through healing and mana are the best of all 3 healers.

There is no homogeneity with 300 second CD's, I guess we should remove Living dead an Holmgang from the game, PLD already has a never die move... Wtf is this logic.

Give SMN a stance that increases the potency of its dots, Boom able to nerf base level potency's of Anarchists dots while preserving SMN.

The homogeneity I was explaining was nerfing SCH to become closer to other healers offensively. Spamming the filler spells of Mal, stone and ruin (broil.)

"Free unlimited healing" that can be cleaved and need to be resummoned.
This "Free unlimited healing" is locked away by our 60 skill. A skill that debilitates its user in order to gain an effect. You don't see that on Divine Seal or Synastry. You can't suddenly not cast a regen.
"Free unlimited healing" that locks half our utility behind a long cast 1700+ MP spell.
Last I checked your regen can't run in to heal and the moment a boss lands, get squashed, and screw you over.

SCH give up Eos, their most powerful healing CD, for the party. As a healer, I WANT EOS. She increases my DPS, but I know that in most content a WHM/AST can carry the healing burden 65-100%. More than their fair share. Therefore it would be selfish of me to the party to use her, when Selene makes our DPS better at their role.

AST is the best healer at utility and support in this game. They will never be able to slot the off heal slot for DPS as well as SCH. WHM makes a better off healer, with Tetra, Benediction, Assize, buffed regens on demand, Asylum and a very powerful DPS toolkit. AST bring WHM MP, have dots that fit PERFECTLY within a Cleric Stance window (450 + 240 + 200... thats more than a SCH can do with their DoTs in the same window), have a subsidized healing toolkit, crazy short term healing bursts (synastry/lightspeed/extended buffed regens) can safely spend time buffing with cards (increasing DPS/EFFECIENCY OUTSIDE of a cleric stance lockout,) which in all makes them more suited to main heal, in just about every scenario. The instant cast Nocturnal Aspected Ben is the only thing that I can see that makes AST function on a good level, but because of how AMAZING the diurnal sect is, you always read about how weak AST is in Nocturnal. Like I said, they could help Time Dilation and Celestial Opposition synergize with the stance more, but that's all AST really deserve.

They buffed the hell out of AST to become ridiculous healers. They lack the DPS utility of SCH, but thats why WHM exist, you know, for balance. <3


Side Note:

Have you been paying attention to HW bosses? Most of them have invulnerability stages. DoTs can't tick during this time and any DoTs that become clipped by it are a DPS loss.

• If Bio can't tick for 15 seconds, its a DPS loss. 6 seconds if you use Energy Drain with its weave time. You need the full amount to reach the DPS of Stone III without Energy Drain.
• If Aero can't tick for 15 seconds, its a DPS loss. 6 seconds if you use Energy Drain with its weave time. You cannot reach the full DPS amount of Stone III without Energy Drain.
• If Bio II can't tick for 15 seconds, its a DPS loss. You need 18 seconds to reach the DPS of Stone III.
• If Miasma can't tick for 15 seconds, its a DPS loss. You need 18 seconds to reach the DPS of Stone III.
• If Shadowflare can't tick for 21 seconds, its a DPS loss. 18 seconds if it was swiftcast onto the battlefield, and 12 seconds if you use Energy Drain with its weave time. You need 24 seconds to reach the DPS of Stone III.
• Every time you cast broil, you are doing 20% less DPS than the WHM's Stone III alone in burst situations. Aero II widens this gap.

The closer it is to these cutoff points, the lower our DPS becomes. The mana efficiency of a DoT based damage kit and our generous forms of MP returns, is what keeps SCH strong.

[Valknut]

Developer of the game says it wants AST to fill both roles, its never gonna be able to do that with SCH the way it is. SCH must change or the other healers need DPS boosts.

Complain all you want about your dots not out doing stone III, WHM's healing while DPS'ing pitiful an costs a hell of a lot of CD's to make work. The amount of options SCH has over AST/WHM is staggering. Their whole kit works better then both the othere 2 .

WHM needs more skills to close the gap, AST needs some QoL an major dmg changes if the off-healer role is supposed to be doing what SCH does.

[Llynd]

No no and no. Whm do not Come from a dps class. It is supposed to be a pure healer. It is sch's role to dps, not Whm's one. You want whm/ast to get better dps ? Why not giving them a fairy ? Oh and a sacred soil ? Oh and whm needs a 147485930 potency shield. And sch needs a benediction. Seriously, you wanna kill the game ?

[Valknut]

This SCH is a special snow flake stuff has gotta end.

You are not a DPS job, you are a healer. If you want to DPS go SMN, if you want to have OP healing an OP dmg then you need to have a some major downsides. SCH has none as of now, it has the best shields, the best over time healing, the best mana management, the best GCD usage, Insta AOE healing, the best OGCD single target heal with the best CD and can be used 3 times back to back.

So AST an WHM Only get to have high CD big heals in compensation... What the literal f***.

[Rawrz]

This SCH is a special snow flake stuff has gotta end.

You are not a DPS job, you are a healer. If you want to DPS go SMN, if you want to have OP healing an OP dmg then you need to have a some major downsides. SCH has none as of now, it has the best shields, the best over time healing, the best mana management, the best GCD usage, Insta AOE healing, the best OGCD single target heal with the best CD and can be used 3 times back to back.

So AST an WHM Only get to have high CD big heals in compensation... What the literal f***.

I never said that other healers shouldn't be able to dps. I love our WHM who aggressively puts up her dots and stone IIIs. It really keeps me watching, not only the tanks, but her as well for Cleric Stance/DPS casts. When the boss gets to about 8% we swap and use her burst to help get the kill faster. That is a WHMs strength. The other healers can dps just fine.


What are SCH weak at (aside from 15 second burst Windows?) Sustained AOE heals. Indom, deployment, and Emergency tactics helped to curb the issue. We do not have the raw healing power of medica II/medica/cure III spam of whm or asts raw helios/aspected. We have to go through a bunch of cds to make our aoe healing work.


Also, AST brings their dps to the party via cards. To even ask to nerf SCH would place AST right on top. Absolutely free and noticeable dps buffs, every time they draw a card, at no cost of mp, nor a limitation on their toolkit.

[Kaizencorr]

I think the issue is with the design of two healers for 8 man content. Having an "off healer" makes it impossible to balance THREE healers. We don't need to make SCH weaker or the other two stronger, we out right need another healer. SCH isn't the best off healer, it's the only real off healer.

Jobs have issues of course. But healer is probably the only ROLE that is having an issue right now. So either adjust the role by adjusting the content or add another job to balance the roles.

If Yoshi P does indeed want AST to fit in the support slot, it would take way more resources than I think he is willing to utilize.

On mobile otherwise this would be a dissertation. These are merely bullet points.

[Valknut]

Snip.

Broil has 170 potency, Stone III has 210. That is not a strength at all. Save yourself the trouble of the switch. This is not a weakness.

SCH can solo heal Nidhogg ex just like every other healer. In what way are they lacking AoE healing? I cannot think of an instance where spamming Sucor is any less viable then spamming Helios/Medica on BJ the shields get used an your heals an new shields come out. Just like Ack morhn on Nid ex.

Cards are not all DPS increases. Ewer is useless in 99% of situations. No one else in the game has mana issues like AST/WHM so it either goes on your self or turns into an expanded card, Spear worthless in 99% of situations, Balance and arrow are amazing, but getting off 3+ Aoe DPS cards in one fight? pretty unlikely. SO while AST banks on RNG your sch is guaranteed his standard DPS

AST/WHM are like PLD. Why bring them if you can bring SCH?