AST Anima stat allocation

[Bebekurenai]

I don't do savage, nidhogg and the likes, so I'm very happy loading up on spell speed. It's pretty awesome how fast gravity can be cast outside of Lightspeed, and cures are almost instant. Also my dots are more powerful. I don't know where you got this idea of spell speed being useless >_> My second stat will be det. Was thinking of piety but having det already will boost my heals/dps, therefore no need of additional mp.

[Miyha]

There is, it's full Acc/PIE (same for WHM), but that's only if you raid Savage or do Extreme trials.

I have literally never heard of any healers running this configuration (except for SCHs with Crit/Acc), and I've played with some of the top healers on my server. You're a healer first and foremost, so stat your gear to reflect that. Yes you should DPS on the side if you have the chance to push DPS, but your primary purpose is healing. Making new healers think they HAVE to DPS no matter what only confuses people and creates issues. But that's a debate for another thread entirely.

If you DPS in Extreme or Savage content like you should as a good healer, you will need the extra PIE, otherwise it's pretty useless, yes. Also, SCH MP management is still leagues ahead of both AST and WHM, and AST isn't actually that far ahead of WHM (even if you get the extra tick from LA consistently by aligning it shortly before server ticks happen), not enough for it to matter, anyway.

Have you played AST? Only when shit hits the fan do I run low on MP, and that's from spamming heals. Yes, I do help push DPS whenever I'm able to. Standing around and doing nothing is unproductive otherwise. If you pop your LA on CD and maybe supplement with a Ewer if you feel you may need it, you shouldn't have to worry all that much about MP. From experience in Savage and Extreme content, my WHM counterparts run out of MP much faster than I do; again, I'm DPSing while healing, and usually so is the WHM. Piety is a waste when you can manage your MP properly and is better suited for a stat than can actually boost the power of your heals.

Accuracy has by far the best stat returns per point (until cap) than any other substat in the game, and that is generally true for every job. There is absolutely no reason not to put it on your relic and meld it if you do Savage or Extreme content, especially since all the other substats are very meh in terms of return per point. Also, putting Accuracy on your relic allows you to meet hit caps without using pentamelded 220s while still melding your right side with Vitality V (which is still important in A8s and absurdly increases your survivability on all other floors).

Won't argue with that. But like I said: I stat my gear purely for healing. I play a healer, not a DPS. I do DPS, and yes, I miss some Malefic IIs or Aeros, but other than that I take up most of the healing so that our SCH can pump out ~600 DPS while trying to keep Combusts/Combust IIs up on things.

Being the main healer is no excuse not to DPS. I solo heal large parts of most fights as WHM and still push DPS as much as possible. A good healer duo can easily put out almost as much damage as a fifth DPS player would add, which is huge.

Aaaaaand I never said it was. But as the main healer, your main job is to HEAL. If you're constantly worried about your DPS and stat your gear with DPS stats, you should play a DPS, not a healer. The devs have even confirmed that healers should not have to DPS to clear Savage fights unless you are in minimum gear to clear. (Again, I am not saying healers shouldn't DPS.) If you find yourself DPSing enough to get good use out of accuracy, then great. I personally think that stats are better allocated to stats that will boost healing power.

[Miyha]

You're talking about constant DET boost and it being well known, but do you have actual numbers for the stat? Many sources I've read lately (such as this thread) say it scales pretty badly for healers since Heavensward.

I do have some sources, but they're from Reddit and I don't feel like looking them up right now. ;; I can take some numbers though myself if you'd be interested. To give an idea, I healed between 400-600 more HP than my friend on straight heals and about 200 (or something like that) more on HoT ticks. I don't have his det stat though to compare with mine. Can ask and spam some heals on each other later tonight.

[Taika]

I do have some sources, but they're from Reddit and I don't feel like looking them up right now. ;; I can take some numbers though myself if you'd be interested. To give an idea, I healed between 400-600 more HP than my friend on straight heals and about 200 (or something like that) more on HoT ticks. I don't have his det stat though to compare with mine. Can ask and spam some heals on each other later tonight.

Please link to those sources when you have some time! I swear I've gone through every single Reddit stat thread I've been able to find and haven't found anything reliable, since Dervy hasn't done healer testing (or at least published results) and it doesn't seem like he will.

I don't do savage, nidhogg and the likes, so I'm very happy loading up on spell speed. It's pretty awesome how fast gravity can be cast outside of Lightspeed, and cures are almost instant. Also my dots are more powerful. I don't know where you got this idea of spell speed being useless >_>

Based on this post the spellspeed formula is floor(New GCD) = 2.5 - (((Current Spell Speed - 334) / 26.5) * 0.01).

The effect of spellspeed seems to be really minimal, for example based on that formula 1000 points in spellspeed would have your GCD at 2.24 (or 2.25 depending on how it's rounded up in game). That's 0.25 seconds (1/4 second) less than full cooldown, and only 0.15 seconds (1/6+ second) less than I have with having actively avoided any spellspeed gear. That is nowhere near instant (even with the 5% buff from Diurnal) and I claim you can't really even tell a difference if your cast / recast (I think there's a difference between cast and recast but I'm not sure?) is 0.25 seconds shorter than it would otherwise be and that it won't change your casting behaviour in any way (you can't start evading stuff 0.25 seconds earlier - unless you maybe have some kind of super eSports player reflexes).

[Lunafreya]

Hi, I maxed out full SS and crit on mine. I was thinking of removing some SS for piety since my pie is at a low 14k mp or so and that kind of hurts me. Can anyone please recommend if putting piety is a waste or not?

[Taika]

Hi, I maxed out full SS and crit on mine. I was thinking of removing some SS for piety since my pie is at a low 14k mp or so and that kind of hurts me. Can anyone please recommend if putting piety is a waste or not?

If you haven't yet, you might want to check this Reddit thread about Piety and Spell speed findings: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...a1&sh=522a3875

From my understanding, PIE is actually a really well scaling stat, so if you feel like you can use some more MP (and aren't currently wasting it on overheals) I don't see you could go wrong with that (assuming you really need the MP and aren't just wasting it, but I have no idea how likely that is since I don't play AST). The obvious issue with PIE is that it doesn't boost the effectiveness of your heals or damage spells in any way, so if you can afford it, all other stats are always better.

[Bebekurenai]

Formulas

That can't be right. I'm talking about noct and Benefic 2 (default CD 2.5s). Without all the SS I'd have to wait 2 seconds to start moving around, with all the SS load I have I can do that after just one. That seems pretty close to instant for me. And no, no arrow or fairy or trait proc. Or maybe I'm just so lag free that everything casts so smooth? I've compared to my alt and there is definetly a difference, so yeah, I'll stay with SS >_> Also I'm curious, does you mean SE nerfed SS? Because before everyone was nuts about SS, BLMs, WHMs, all wanted to load up and be the fastest, now it's useless?

[Taika]

That can't be right. I'm talking about noct and Benefic 2 (default CD 2.5s). Without all the SS I'd have to wait 2 seconds to start moving around, with all the SS load I have I can do that after just one. That seems pretty close to instant for me. And no, no arrow or fairy or trait proc. Or maybe I'm just so lag free that everything casts so smooth?

Well I can't really comment on how you feel about the issue or your experiences. The formula seems to be from this thread originally: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...a1&sh=522a3875.

Also I'm curious, does you mean SE nerfed SS? Because before everyone was nuts about SS, BLMs, WHMs, all wanted to load up and be the fastest, now it's useless?

SS was never good for any healers before HW either. In HW they actually changed it to affect HoT and DoT so in that way it's now better in theory. For BLM the reason to stack SS until certain point is their rotation (same with skill speed for DRG and WAR at least).

Everyone's gear decisions are of course their own. My wish would be that the discussions on the subject could be based on actual numbers and extensive testing, but since the testing hasn't been done and the numbers aren't known it's really difficult. Currently no one knows what's the actual difference between 1000 points of DET and 1000 points of SS in their stats, for example. All they have is what they feel or what they seem to experience, and that's not a reliable base for discussion.

[Bebekurenai]

SS was never good for any healers before HW either. In HW they actually changed it to affect HoT and DoT so inThat leaves the other healer as the WHM. that way it's now better in theory. For BLM the reason to stack SS until certain point is their rotation (same with skill speed for DRG and WAR at least).

Let me correct you. SS was never good for the arcanist class rather than healers, since SMN only had four spells to cast once every 20ish seconds, one of them (Shadowflare) normally being swifted and another (Bio) being instant anyways, and SS would not benefit dots potency. SCH same story, SS wouldn't benefit their heals really since they had lustrates/shields and the fairy, leaving crit rate to be more effective. And yes, SS was awesome for WHM. Holies were spammed, medicas, stone 2s etc. SS and det was the way to go for WHM. HW made it so that now arcanists actually benefit with SS as you stated before. For BLMs also, SS gave them inmense firepower, yes their reason is their rotation, of course, what else?
I do agree with you though that everyone's gear decisions are their own. And in the end it does come up to how each of us feel comfortable with. Reliable enough to be a valid point? For me yes, after the diference I saw with and without SS.

[Taika]

And yes, SS was awesome for WHM. Holies were spammed, medicas, stone 2s etc. SS and det was the way to go for WHM. HW made it so that now arcanists actually benefit with SS as you stated before.

I mained WHM before HW and det+crit was the way to go for WHM even then. All the discussions about pre-HW healer stats are still there for people to go back to if they wish but they aren't relevant to this thread.

Edit: I think the current numbers in Ariyala's still show WHM stat weights from pre-HW and they're det 0.325, crit 0.204, and spellspeed 0.178.