AST Anima stat allocation

[Taika]

Det's pretty well known to be the primary stat of WHMs and ASTs. Comparing my healing power with my 225 AST friend, it's a pretty remarkable difference.

You're talking about constant DET boost and it being well known, but do you have actual numbers for the stat? Many sources I've read lately (such as this thread) say it scales pretty badly for healers since Heavensward.

[Miyha]

You're talking about constant DET boost and it being well known, but do you have actual numbers for the stat? Many sources I've read lately (such as this thread) say it scales pretty badly for healers since Heavensward.

I do have some sources, but they're from Reddit and I don't feel like looking them up right now. ;; I can take some numbers though myself if you'd be interested. To give an idea, I healed between 400-600 more HP than my friend on straight heals and about 200 (or something like that) more on HoT ticks. I don't have his det stat though to compare with mine. Can ask and spam some heals on each other later tonight.

[Taika]

I do have some sources, but they're from Reddit and I don't feel like looking them up right now. ;; I can take some numbers though myself if you'd be interested. To give an idea, I healed between 400-600 more HP than my friend on straight heals and about 200 (or something like that) more on HoT ticks. I don't have his det stat though to compare with mine. Can ask and spam some heals on each other later tonight.

Please link to those sources when you have some time! I swear I've gone through every single Reddit stat thread I've been able to find and haven't found anything reliable, since Dervy hasn't done healer testing (or at least published results) and it doesn't seem like he will.

I don't do savage, nidhogg and the likes, so I'm very happy loading up on spell speed. It's pretty awesome how fast gravity can be cast outside of Lightspeed, and cures are almost instant. Also my dots are more powerful. I don't know where you got this idea of spell speed being useless >_>

Based on this post the spellspeed formula is floor(New GCD) = 2.5 - (((Current Spell Speed - 334) / 26.5) * 0.01).

The effect of spellspeed seems to be really minimal, for example based on that formula 1000 points in spellspeed would have your GCD at 2.24 (or 2.25 depending on how it's rounded up in game). That's 0.25 seconds (1/4 second) less than full cooldown, and only 0.15 seconds (1/6+ second) less than I have with having actively avoided any spellspeed gear. That is nowhere near instant (even with the 5% buff from Diurnal) and I claim you can't really even tell a difference if your cast / recast (I think there's a difference between cast and recast but I'm not sure?) is 0.25 seconds shorter than it would otherwise be and that it won't change your casting behaviour in any way (you can't start evading stuff 0.25 seconds earlier - unless you maybe have some kind of super eSports player reflexes).

[Bebekurenai]

Formulas

That can't be right. I'm talking about noct and Benefic 2 (default CD 2.5s). Without all the SS I'd have to wait 2 seconds to start moving around, with all the SS load I have I can do that after just one. That seems pretty close to instant for me. And no, no arrow or fairy or trait proc. Or maybe I'm just so lag free that everything casts so smooth? I've compared to my alt and there is definetly a difference, so yeah, I'll stay with SS >_> Also I'm curious, does you mean SE nerfed SS? Because before everyone was nuts about SS, BLMs, WHMs, all wanted to load up and be the fastest, now it's useless?

[Taika]

That can't be right. I'm talking about noct and Benefic 2 (default CD 2.5s). Without all the SS I'd have to wait 2 seconds to start moving around, with all the SS load I have I can do that after just one. That seems pretty close to instant for me. And no, no arrow or fairy or trait proc. Or maybe I'm just so lag free that everything casts so smooth?

Well I can't really comment on how you feel about the issue or your experiences. The formula seems to be from this thread originally: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...a1&sh=522a3875.

Also I'm curious, does you mean SE nerfed SS? Because before everyone was nuts about SS, BLMs, WHMs, all wanted to load up and be the fastest, now it's useless?

SS was never good for any healers before HW either. In HW they actually changed it to affect HoT and DoT so in that way it's now better in theory. For BLM the reason to stack SS until certain point is their rotation (same with skill speed for DRG and WAR at least).

Everyone's gear decisions are of course their own. My wish would be that the discussions on the subject could be based on actual numbers and extensive testing, but since the testing hasn't been done and the numbers aren't known it's really difficult. Currently no one knows what's the actual difference between 1000 points of DET and 1000 points of SS in their stats, for example. All they have is what they feel or what they seem to experience, and that's not a reliable base for discussion.

[Bebekurenai]

SS was never good for any healers before HW either. In HW they actually changed it to affect HoT and DoT so inThat leaves the other healer as the WHM. that way it's now better in theory. For BLM the reason to stack SS until certain point is their rotation (same with skill speed for DRG and WAR at least).

Let me correct you. SS was never good for the arcanist class rather than healers, since SMN only had four spells to cast once every 20ish seconds, one of them (Shadowflare) normally being swifted and another (Bio) being instant anyways, and SS would not benefit dots potency. SCH same story, SS wouldn't benefit their heals really since they had lustrates/shields and the fairy, leaving crit rate to be more effective. And yes, SS was awesome for WHM. Holies were spammed, medicas, stone 2s etc. SS and det was the way to go for WHM. HW made it so that now arcanists actually benefit with SS as you stated before. For BLMs also, SS gave them inmense firepower, yes their reason is their rotation, of course, what else?
I do agree with you though that everyone's gear decisions are their own. And in the end it does come up to how each of us feel comfortable with. Reliable enough to be a valid point? For me yes, after the diference I saw with and without SS.

[Taika]

And yes, SS was awesome for WHM. Holies were spammed, medicas, stone 2s etc. SS and det was the way to go for WHM. HW made it so that now arcanists actually benefit with SS as you stated before.

I mained WHM before HW and det+crit was the way to go for WHM even then. All the discussions about pre-HW healer stats are still there for people to go back to if they wish but they aren't relevant to this thread.

Edit: I think the current numbers in Ariyala's still show WHM stat weights from pre-HW and they're det 0.325, crit 0.204, and spellspeed 0.178.