I guess it's time

[Thayos]

Not to be salty, really. But that's the best and most precise description of the whole FFXIV.

I can only speak directly on behalf of those who I've spent lots of time with in game. My somewhat large FC has had many great times -- none were in Diadem.

I mean, I understand the point you're trying to make, but FFXIV has a lot going for it. Heck, enough people love the game to sell out two fan fests.

[KitingGenbu]

One thing I'm failing to understand and maybe I'm slow for asking but I honestly dont see the difference between 2.0 and 3.0's progression. I mean the fights felt better in 2.0 for the most part but reward wise what you got was pretty much the same through out the whole game unless I'm missing something.

[vp_cmc]

Aquapolis is dead. Dragonskin maps currently are super cheap on the server, nobody buys them now.

[Razard]

As I have said, financial success doesn't mean the game is anyhow good, even if millions play it. Just like game that "almost single handedly sink the entire company" can be actually a masterpiece.

So, keep living in denial you too.

Ah the "Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's good" defense. And thanks for proving my point. Denial, not just a river in Egypt.

Let's be fair here, YoshiP took 2 years and then some to build on the foundations Tanaka created for this game and given a huge budget to "fix" things. Tanaka was denied extra time and budget because SE demanded he put it out before the release of WoW's Cataclysm expansion using funds milked from FFXI that was already being stretched to fund other titles in development (such as recouping the losses the failing XIII created) in order to draw in players from that game at the end of patch cycle when most are looking for something else to do. Not saying YoshiP is doing bad but lets not pretend Tanaka was given even half the favorable situations that YoshiP was before you go burying him for his choices.

So the fatigue system wasn't his fault? The market wards or Anima? The rest where technical issues that could be fixed. But these weren't and you cannot convince me that Tanaka was this great misuderstood genius that some people make him out to be.

[Vantol]

I can only speak directly on behalf of those who I've spent lots of time with in game. My somewhat large FC has had many great times -- none were in Diadem.

Well, my current playtime is: 692 days, 17 hours, 30 minutes (I'm achievement collector). And I absolutely hated like 95% of it.

Anyway, 100 pages of concerns, suggestions and even instructions "How to". And still no official reply. Great. Just great.

[Yurimi]

Ah the "Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's good" defense. And thanks for proving my point. Denial, not just a river in Egypt.


So the fatigue system wasn't his fault? The market wards or Anima? The rest where technical issues that could be fixed. But these weren't and you cannot convince me that Tanaka was this great misuderstood genius that some people make him out to be.

Every developer has their issues. 1.0 had some yes, it was not a perfect game, feedback was not (and because of the extremely limited time frame probably could not) be incorporated at all. 2.0 had and still has many issues. Housing? What a nightmare that entire debacle is. How about the promise that player housing would be completely separate and far more affordable than FC housing? Mail being restricted to flist only? Can't Flist your alts? Tell's not being able to be sent in dungeons (though they can be its just been disabled for anyone but GM's)? Every game, every producer has faults. People need to stop acting like Tanaka was the one solely at fault for everything. Almost every serious complaint about XIV's 1.0 was that it was rushed and unfinished or issues with server stability which was because of SE's lack of funding and refusal to push back the date for 1.0's release so it could beat cataclysm to launch. Yes some of the systems were probably not the best ideas (looking at you 1.0 MP system) but perhaps if given more than a month to actually implement the vast majority of feedback we left during the 1.0 alpha/beta maybe the game would have been better. However this is not a thread to discuss the differences or what was better or worse in 1.0 but to discuss the issues people are having with the current game. I just get tired of seeing people vilify Tanaka despite all the great work he put into this game and his previous works.

[RobbieH]

Heck, enough people love the game to sell out two fan fests.

How many people can fan fests hold?

[Iromi]

How many people can fan fests hold?

About 850 - 950 ppl.

So not many at all lol. I think more people live on my block here in NYC haha

[LalafellDown]

Now that's sort of the problem when you're looking at a subscription based MMO. If it's that demanding for a rig to play the game at maximum, imagine the recommeneded or even minimum. It makes for the game to not be very accessible for people who don't have the rig to do so, and those that do are not able to fully enjoy the beauty of the game (which would probably not make up the gameplay). The requirements for 2.0 are much much lower than what it was previously, that even PS3 can semi-reliably run the game.

I still have my FF14 1.0 box and the requirements for 1.0 is much lower than 2.0

FF14 2.0
Minimum System Requirements

Operating System: Windows Vista 32/64bit, Windows 7 32/64 bit, Windows 8 32/64 bit, Windows 8.1 32/64 bit.
Processor: Intel Core2 Duo 3GHz.
Graphics: NVIDIA Geforce 8800 Series, ATI Radeon HD 4770.
Memory: 2GB (4GB recommended for 64bit OS)
Disk Space: 20GB.
Broadband internet connection.

FF14 1.0
OS Minimum: Windows XP SP3, Windows Vista 32-bit/64-bit Windows 7 32-bit/64-bit*
Recommended: Windows 7 32-bit/64-bit*

CPU Minimum: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.0Ghz or higher
Minimum: AMD Athlon X2 2.0GHz or higher
Recommended: Intel Core i7-920 2.66GHz or higher
Recommended: AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 2.8 GHz or higher

RAM Minimum: Windows XP: 1.5GB or higher
Minimum: Windows Vista 32-bit/64-bit, Windows 7 32-bit/64bit: 2GB or higher
Recommended: Windows 7 32-bit/64-bit: 4GB or more

HDD/SDD Installation: 15GB of free space
Download: 6GB of free space on the drive containing "My Documents"

Graphics Card Minimum: nVidia GeForce 9600 or better with VRAM 512MB or more
Minimum: ATI HD 2900 or better with VRAM 512MB or more
Recommended: nVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 or better with VRAM 768MB or more
Recommended: ATI HD 5830 1GB or better

Also my personal setup isn't the requirement and you can spend way less than what I spent on for my PC. I bought my stuff when it was new and expensive now you can get the 290x cards for $250 and the older cards are even cheaper. if a $100 Ps3 can run FF14 think what a $500 PC can run. you can build a good PC under $500 just to run FF14 maybe even lower if you buy the old cards. I built mine to run all the new high end games like Witcher 3 on full setting or fallout 4, not just FF14.

[Istaru]

One thing I'm failing to understand and maybe I'm slow for asking but I honestly dont see the difference between 2.0 and 3.0's progression. I mean the fights felt better in 2.0 for the most part but reward wise what you got was pretty much the same through out the whole game unless I'm missing something.

I hope you are being facetious, I really do. For some people, that is the problem. We want something new, genuinely new. Not another 3 years of the pretty much the same...exact...thing.

A good bit of the current angst is due to an interview where Yoshida alluded to 4.0 being at least mostly like 2.0 and 3.0. Which honestly, concerns me.