I guess it's time

[odintius]

I don't understand why you even bother coming to this forum if everything is about long-term gains for you.

Why not go to another MMO if you hate how this game has been doing things for the last 3 years.

Maybe because its the fact their doing the same thing over and over for the last 3yrs, that might be the problem for some it stale. Most mmo aren't full blown pure vertical progression aither and has elements of horizontal in them, this game use to have it BTW. Having pure horizontal people will quickly point out the problems with it, but pure vertical has its own share of flaws as well and people are pointing them out as well its a matter of finding a sweet spot of adding the two, but people tend to exaggerate there arguments.

[Velhart]

Maybe because its the fact their doing the same thing over and over for the last 3yrs, that might be the problem for some it stale. Most mmo aren't full blown pure vertical progression aither and has elements of horizontal in them, this game use to have it BTW. Having pure horizontal people will quickly point out the problems with it, but pure vertical has its own share of flaws as well and people are pointing them out as well its a matter of finding a sweet spot of adding the two, but people tend to exaggerate there arguments.

Doesn't horizontal make you do the same thing over and over for years? But you know instead...doesn't try to refresh the content? The horizontal enthusiasts try to argue that content becomes stale, but do not say why something that gets even more stale over time is the solution. Even during FFXI, it was an incredible breath of fresh air when ToAU came out, because I would finally be doing something that isn't Dynamis/Limbus/Sky/Sea all the time.

Also, we are currently in a horizontal patch right now. Even number raises the ilvl, odd number patch offers more variety in that ilvl range.

[odintius]

Doesn't horizontal make you do the same thing over and over for years? But you know instead...doesn't try to refresh the content? The horizontal enthusiasts try to argue that content becomes stale, but do not say why something that gets even more stale over time is the solution. Even during FFXI, it was an incredible breath of fresh air when ToAU came out, because I would finally be doing something that isn't Dynamis/Limbus/Sky/Sea all the time.

Also, we are currently in a horizontal patch right now. Even number raises the ilvl, odd number patch offers more variety in that ilvl range.

If you like trivial bland gear with boring stats so you can skip a phase of a fight sure, but that not my cup of tea it just zzzzzz and show lack of any depth imo and asking for more from a game isn't a bad thing IMO it add more value to the game IMO not less.

[Velhart]

If you like trivial bland gear with boring stats so you can skip a phase of a fight sure, but that not my cup of tea it just zzzzzz and show lack of any depth imo and asking for more from a game isn't a bad thing IMO it add more value to the game IMO not less.

If so called "bland" helps keep things in check and doesn't result in imbalance in the way FFXI most definitely was, then yes, I will take bland any day. FFXIV's system has a ton more depth than you think. As I said in a previous post, being overly complex in your stats/hot bar does not equal depth. The content itself is the depth.

[odintius]

If so called "bland" helps keep things in check and doesn't result in imbalance in the way FFXI most definitely was, then yes, I will take bland any day. FFXIV's system has a ton more depth than you think. As I said in a previous post, being over complex in your stats/hot bar does not equal depth. The content itself the depth.

It call work that require effort on the part of developers and player feed back, just doing nothing isn't a solution either it being part of the problem. Relying on your previous post does prove anything that's your experience just as mine are. Believe it or not there are different players out there that would argue otherwise of your vision of depth and IMO its pretty boring.

[Velhart]

It call work that require effort on the part of developers and player feed back, just doing nothing isn't a solution either it being part of the problem. Relying on your previous post does prove anything that's your experience just as mine are. Believe it or not there are different players out there that would argue otherwise of your vision of depth and IMO its pretty boring.

If that is how you feel then suggest how to improve the content, not how many bells and whistles you can put on a character. Putting pointless stats on a character isn't going to magically make the game better.

[MagiusNecros]

Putting pointless stats on a character isn't going to magically make the game better.

Yet is that not what the dev team has been doing? Like Parry?

[odintius]

If that is how you feel then suggest how to improve the content, not how many bells and whistles you can put on a character. Putting pointless stats on a character isn't going to magically make the game better.

Suggest clicking my name and find those post, I'm under no obligation to you, your not a developer so that point is mute. Nothing will never magically happen with that attitude if your only suggestion is to do nothing either keep at it though.

[FallenArisen0990]

If that is how you feel then suggest how to improve the content, not how many bells and whistles you can put on a character. Putting pointless stats on a character isn't going to magically make the game better.

You must have that response on Macro because that's the same type of response you always give. When someone does give the response, you try to either ignore the idea and brush over it or defend how you don't want any change whatsoever. You say you played and enjoyed XI and wouldn't mind some stuff from XI. I personally don't believe you. Everything you want, wants to follow XIV's limited, boring, mash buttons, same old same old each patch formula.

There is no point in adding stuff if it doesn't solve the very core issue at hand. You've already contradicted yourself numerous times on these statements.

[Lorielle]

Doesn't horizontal make you do the same thing over and over for years? But you know instead...doesn't try to refresh the content?

ToAU was past a 3 year mark by the way. But that aside, look at those end game activities compared to what we have here in XIV. Oh right. Just one raid. Hmm. Ahh, but I'm sure people are gonna toss Weeping City. Which you can have, but that's literally only once at best. But if there's no need to do it(because tomegear) then its just there to "gear up" an alt at best because of a weekly lock. Remove that lock and I bet more content will die pretty fast. Still 4-2 as far as I'm concerned, but we're not taking into account the HNM scene that had relevant gear.